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Tue, Mar-06-18, 08:10

Calianna

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Plan: Atkins-ish (hypoglycemia)
Stats: 000/000/000 Female 63

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Progress: 50%

Quote:

Originally Posted by deirdra

I saw an ad on TV that showed skinless chicken breasts are now on the WW Freestyle Zero-Points list so I looked up the new list. Apparently the total points are lower, but you don't have to count lean protein, or most vegetables and fruit. You just count the fats, red meat, sauces, cheese, tacos, etc. that you eat with them. The only limitation is to stop when full, but I could eat two bunches of bananas before feeling full.

At least the list includes only real foods, most of which I eat (with generous amounts of fat), but all the fruits, starchy vegetables and legumes would start me craving and binging. I do occasionally have a bite or two of the things I've bolded when elsewhere, but don't allow them in my house.

Zero Points foods you don’t need to weigh, measure, or track:

• Apples
• Applesauce, unsweetened
• Apricots
• Arrowroot
• Artichoke hearts
• Artichokes
• Arugula
• Asparagus

• Bamboo shoots
• Banana
• Beans: including adzuki, black, broad (fava), butter, cannellini, cranberry (Roman), green, garbanzo (chickpeas), great northern, kidney, lima, lupini, mung, navy, pink, pinto, small white, snap, soy, string, wax, white
• Beans, refried, fat-free, canned
• Beets
• Berries, mixed
• Blackberries
• Blueberries
• Broccoli
• Broccoli rabe
• Broccoli slaw
• Broccolini
• Brussels sprouts

• Cabbage: all varieties including Chinese (bok choy), Japanese, green, red, napa, savory, pickled
• Calamari, grilled
• Cantaloupe
• Carrots
• Cauliflower
• Caviar
• Celery
• Swiss chard
• Cherries
• Chicken breast, ground, 99% fat-free
• Chicken breast or tenderloin, skinless, boneless or with bone
• Clementines
• Coleslaw mix (shredded cabbage and carrots), packaged
• Collards
• Corn, baby (ears), white, yellow, kernels, on the cob
• Cranberries
• Cucumber

• Daikon
• Dates, fresh
• Dragon fruit

• Edamame, in pods or shelled
• Egg substitutes
• Egg whites
• Eggplant
• Eggs, whole, including yolks
• Endive
• Escarole

• Fennel (anise, sweet anise, or finocchio)
• Figs
• Fish: anchovies, arctic char, bluefish, branzino (sea bass), butterfish, carp, catfish, cod, drum, eel, flounder, grouper, haddock, halibut, herring, mackerel, mahi mahi (dolphinfish), monkfish, orange roughy, perch, pollack, pompano, rainbow trout (steelhead), rockfish, roe, sablefish (including smoked), salmon (all varieties), salmon, smoked (lox), sardines, sea bass, smelt, snapper, sole, striped bass, striped mullet, sturgeon (including smoked); white sucker, sunfish (pumpkinseed), swordfish, tilapia, tilefish, tuna (all varieties), turbot, whitefish (smoked), whiting
• Fish fillet, grilled with lemon pepper
• Fruit cocktail
• Fruit cup, unsweetened
• Fruit salad
• Fruit, unsweetened

• Garlic
• Ginger root
• Grapefruit
• Grapes
• Greens: beet, collard, dandelion, kale, mustard, turnip
• Greens, mixed baby
• Guavas
• Guavas, strawberry

• Hearts of palm (palmetto)
• Honeydew melon
• Jackfruit
• Jerk chicken breast
• Jerusalem artichokes (sunchokes)
• Jicama (yam bean)

• Kiwifruit
• Kohlrabi
• Kumquats

• Leeks
• Lemon
• Lemon zest
• Lentils
• Lettuce, all varieties
• Lime
• Lime zest
• Litchis (lychees)

• Mangoes
• Melon balls
• Mung bean sprouts
• Mung dal
• Mushroom caps
• Mushrooms: all varieties including brown, button, crimini, Italian, portabella, shiitake

• Nectarine
• Nori seaweed

• Okra
• Onions
• Oranges: all varieties including blood

• Papayas
• Parsley
• Passion fruit
• Pea shoots
• Peaches
• Peapods, black-eye
• Pears
• Peas and carrots
• Peas: black-eyed, chickpeas (garbanzo), cowpeas (blackeyes, crowder, southern), young pods with seeds, green, pigeon, snow (Chinese pea pods); split, sugar snap
• Peppers, all varieties
• Pepperoncini
• Persimmons
• Pickles, unsweetened
• Pico de gallo
• Pimientos, canned
• Pineapple
• Plumcots (pluots)
• Plums
• Pomegranate seeds
• Pomegranates
• Pomelo (pummelo)
• Pumpkin
• Pumpkin puree

• Radicchio
• Radishes
• Raspberries
• Rutabagas

• Salad, mixed greens
• Salad, side, without dressing, fast food
• Salad, tossed, without dressing
• Salsa verde
• Salsa, fat free
• Salsa, fat free; gluten-free
• Sashimi
• Satay, chicken, without peanut sauce
• Satsuma mandarin
• Sauerkraut
• Scallions
• Seaweed
• Shallots
• Shellfish: abalone, clams, crab (including Alaska king, blue, dungeness, lump crabmeat, queen) crayfish, cuttlefish, lobster (including spiny lobster), mussels, octopus, oysters, scallops, shrimp, squid
• Spinach
• Sprouts, including alfalfa, bean, lentil
• Squash, summer (all varieties including zucchini)
• Squash, winter (all varieties including spaghetti)
• Starfruit (carambola)
• Strawberries
• Succotash

• Tangelo
• Tangerine
• Tofu, all varieties
• Tofu, smoked
• Tomatillos
• Tomato puree
• Tomato sauce
• Tomatoes: all varieties including plum, grape, cherry
• Turkey breast, ground, at least 98% fat-free
• Turkey breast or tenderloin, skinless, boneless or with bone
• Turkey breast, skinless, smoked
• Turnips

• Vegetable sticks
• Vegetables, mixed
• Vegetables, stir fry, without sauce

• Water chestnuts
• Watercress
• Watermelon

• Yogurt, Greek, plain, nonfat, unsweetened
• Yogurt, plain, nonfat, unsweetened
• Yogurt, soy, plain

I agree that this is far, far better than many previous incarnations of WW, if for no other reason than the fact that those are all real foods. If people ate that way to begin with, most of them would not have gained weight to begin with.

[Although I take exception to all the non-fat dairy and skinless, fat free poultry on the list - there's a reason God (or nature, if you prefer) provided fats with those foods, and we would do better to eat them with their natural fats the majority of the time.]

If someone doesn't have a great deal of weight to lose and is not already showing serious signs of metabolic syndrome, plus does not have trouble controlling consumption of the carbier free foods on the list (or having the blood sugar spikes/drops from eating those food cause them to go completely off the rails and fall face first into a vat of chips or cookies), then concentrating on those foods, and using your points for extras (fats, sauces, cheese, a donut, or slice of pizza, or other treat food here and there) would probably work out fine, and be a long term sustainable diet.

On the other hand, if you have a lot to lose, or are showing definite signs of metabolic syndrome, or already have diabetes, then it would still be doable, but you'd need to seriously limit your intake of the carby options on the list (beans, root veggies, fruit), and avoid using any of your points for carby treats, opting instead to use points only to round out your macros with fats. In other words, do it LCHF.

But if people who have those problems understood the whole issue of macros proportions and how they affect the metabolism, they wouldn't need to to pay WW to tell them how to do LCHF, especially since that's not WW's message. Their message has always been that you don't need to give up your favorite foods to lose weight, just stay within your points - you can lose weight, be happy, and never need to give up your Friday night pizza, or Sunday morning donut.

A lot just has to do with how your individual body reacts to more than minimal carbs though, so with the increasing numbers of people in this country who have serious metabolic issues, I wonder how long it'll be before WW changes their plan yet again. I don't think they're ever going to completely get away from the points system and pushing low fat foods. It's just a matter of what will remain on the free list, how many points are assigned to foods not on the free list, and how many points each WW member is allowed.