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From The Sunday Times
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29 May, 2016

Swap the sweet nothings for nature’s healthiest option — fat, glorious fat

Dominic Lawson


Twenty years ago, visiting a primary school to which we were thinking of sending our first daughter, my wife and I were amazed to discover that full-fat milk was banned from its kitchens: the children were to be offered only skimmed or semi-skimmed.

Yet the amazement was even greater on the part of the woman showing us around, when we told her it was odd that the milk provided to the pupils was only in varieties with one of the most nutritious components excluded. She exclaimed that they were acting according to the best medical advice, which all the other parents accepted.

The second part of her statement we were in no position to dispute. And she was right that the medical establishment argued that even little children should be steered away from animal fat and cream. It had been saying this since the late 1960s, when the orthodoxy emerged that the most essential element in a healthy diet was food low in fat. It’s easy to see why this should have been so easy to propagate. The same word — fat — is used to describe both physical grossness and the type of food we were to forswear: “Don’t eat fat and you won’t get fat.”

There have been two problems with this. The first is that being fat is not in itself unhealthy. Increased risk of premature mortality is not correlated with being overweight; it is more associated with being underweight.

The morbidly obese are indeed at high risk — hence the term “morbidly” — but such extreme levels of obesity are not usually associated with people who drink too much full-fat milk, or eat too much brie, or guzzle gargantuan steaks. No, these tend to be people whose diet is full of sugar.

In 1972 a British professor of nutrition, John Yudkin, wrote a book — Pure, White and Deadly — which challenged the notion that saturated fat was the dietary demon. He asserted that excessive sugar intake was the more likely cause of such contemporary ailments as diabetes, heart disease and extreme obesity. He was ostracised by the nutritionary and medical establishment, and even portrayed as being in league with the meat and dairy industry (which he wasn’t).

The problem Yudkin identified was that if we don’t get our energy from animal fats and protein, then carbohydrates would fill the calorie gap: and that is a recipe for a high sugar intake. Not only that, but low-fat foods advertised as complying with the official medical recommendations and the dictates of fashion would be almost tasteless — and therefore could hardly be sold to the masses unless supplemented with prodigious quantities of sugar (breakfast cereals being the most obvious example).

The fact that naturally occurring fat tastes wonderful is neither a matter of opinion nor accidental. It tastes good because it is good for us — that is evolution at work. Saturated fats, for example, are present in milk from the mother’s breast. By contrast, the first production of refined sugar, which contains nothing of nutritional value, dates from the 16th century: countless millennia after natural selection had perfected the human digestive system.

Anyway, here we are anno domini 2016 and the battle lost by the late Professor Yudkin has been rejoined by a body called the National Obesity Forum. Last week, along with a group of doctors under the equally unlovely name of the Public Health Collaboration, it published a report declaring that the longstanding official advice promoting low-fat foods had been “perhaps the biggest mistake in modern medical history, resulting in devastating consequences for public health”. The report went on to argue: “Eating fat does not make you fat . . . The most natural and nutritious foods available — meat, fish, eggs, dairy products . . . all contain saturated fat.”

A founding member of the Public Health Collaboration, Dr Aseem Malhotra, a consultant cardiologist, added that the current advice from Public Health England, promoting low-fat foods, “is more like a metabolic timebomb than a dietary pattern conducive to good health”. His colleague Professor Iain Broom of Robert Gordon University declared: “Our populations have for almost 40 years been subjected to an uncontrolled global experiment that has gone drastically wrong.”

The report even accused the medical establishment of having been “corrupted by commercial influences”, as the recent NHS guidelines had been drawn up in association with the food and drink industry. My advice to Dr Malhotra and his colleagues is to refrain from this argument by insinuation. It wasn’t attractive when used against Professor Yudkin by those advocating a low-fat diet and is no more so when deployed by the other side.

But people are understandably angry. Not least Dr Michael Mosley, author of the 5:2 diet, who wrote how under the influence of established medical opinion he had persuaded his father — a sufferer from type 2 diabetes — to go on a low-fat diet. “Following my advice he put aside the fats, ate more starchy foods — and got fatter and fatter. His diabetes got steadily worse . . . he died of heart failure. If I had known what I know now about the high failure rate of low-fat diets, my advice would have been completely different and he might have lived to see his grandchildren grow up.”

I confess to a certain smugness, as someone long devoted to a diet high in protein and dairy products. This has not been through conscientious regard for my own health, but pure hedonism. And there are problems associated with such an eating style. A few years ago I suffered the excruciating agonies of kidney stones, and was told they were of the type caused by excessive protein and dairy consumption.

The overriding truth, predictably, is that any diet over-reliant on a particular foodstuff can have unfortunate consequences. The Atkins high-protein diet is a sure-fire way to lose weight, but the price to pay is foul breath — and epic constipation. (As one Atkins devotee once told me: “I had to knock it off with a stick.”)

Yet this particular unbalanced diet seems preferable to the faddism practised especially by younger women — known as “clean eating”. As Katie Glass’s article on the phenomenon in today’s Sunday Times Magazine reveals, this has led to a dramatic increase in veganism — which now has more than half a million devotees in this country, mostly young urban females. This is not a healthy diet — if it were, its advocates would not need to spend so much of their income on vitamin supplements at Holland & Barrett in order to remain upright.

Who knows — perhaps their minds were distorted long ago at primary school, when they were told that full-fat milk was “bad”. By the way, the government’s “free school milk requirements”, which came into force only last year, demand that “you may only offer lower-fat milk (not more than 1.8% fat content, such as semi-skimmed, skimmed or 1% fat milk)”. This, the nation’s school canteens are told, “reflects current Department for Education advice”.

Eighty years ago, JM Keynes wrote: “Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.” He went on to name “civil servants and politicians” as the worst example of this.

Today the departments of health and education are the slaves of defunct nutritionists.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...s-fat-ddcxxbrmj




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The acceptable face of eating disorders

The #CleanEating movement has reached fever pitch — but how healthy is a diet of spinach smoothies, goji berries and almond milk?

Katie Glass


It started, ironically, with a desire to get healthy. Laura Wilson was 28, 5ft 6in and, at 15st, the heaviest she had been in her life. So she embarked on a high-protein diet. Within a year she lost 4st. She was hooked. To keep herself motivated, she began reading blogs, entering a world of “clean eating” that, back in 2009, had just begun. There are trends in the health-food world, and veganism was “in” at the time, Laura tells me. By 2011, Kris Karr’s “plant-based” Crazy Sexy Diet was a bestseller. Alicia Silverstone’s Kind Diet was out. “I became really passionate about eating healthily,” Laura says. “I was obsessed.”

She was already watching her carbohydrate intake. She avoided refined sugar and gluten where she could. Next, she began a vegetarian diet. Soon, she turned vegan: no meat, no fish, no dairy. Then raw vegan, avoiding too much fruit — “Too much sugar,” she explains. Laura insists that she wasn’t undereating; she was downing giant smoothies stuffed with spinach for breakfast, huge lettuce, chickpea, avocado and pepper salads for lunch, courgetti (courgette noodles) smothered in raw tomato sauce for dinner. “I always loved food,” she says. She stocked up on superfoods, ordering niche ingredients online: maca root powder, cacao nibs, spirulina, chia seeds … things that, at the time, were unusual to eat and difficult to find.

Laura started exercising six days a week. As the weight dropped off and she was showered with “praise and compliments”, her focus changed. “At first it was about being healthy and weight loss, but it turned into being about having the perfect diet,” she says. “Quickly, my behaviour became really unhealthy. It was all-consuming.” She says she became “controlling” about what she ate, planning meals and avoiding friends out of “a fear that if I socialised I would be peer-pressured into eating things I shouldn’t”. She avoided one friend’s birthday party because she was afraid she might end up eating cake. Soon, if Laura missed even one gym session she panicked about gaining weight.

Physically, she noticed other changes. She was constantly cold. Her periods stopped. As she rapidly lost another 2st, people began commenting not on how good she looked, but how thin she’d become.

When Laura first heard the term “orthorexia”, she thought: “Oh, that’s not me.” She justified her diet to herself, saying: “‘It’s not me that’s wrong; the rest of society has an obesity problem.’ If anyone asked, I would say I was just being really healthy. When you say that, people can’t argue back.” Now, she admits, she was unhealthily obsessed with healthy eating. She believes she was orthorexic.

The term orthorexia entered the lexicon about a year ago, cited in news stories and written about in blogs. Orthorexia nervosa, it was dutifully reported, was an obsession with healthy eating, derived from the Greek orthos (correct) and orexis (appetite). A new eating disorder had arrived.

Dr Steven Bratman, an American physician, had coined the phrase in 1997 in an article for Yoga Journal magazine, deliberately modifying the term anorexia nervosa. Half-joking about nutritional-medicine zealots in the US, he described “lacto-ovo-vegetarians” who are afraid of milk, raw foodists who worried that chopping vegetables would destroy their “etheric field”, and a “non-garlic non-onion Hindu-influenced crowd” who believed that “onion-family foods provoked sexual desire”. Bratman admitted that he, too, had once been so “seduced by righteous eating” that he wouldn’t eat vegetables more than 15 minutes after they’d been plucked from the ground.

When Bratman conceived of orthorexia nervosa, he was referring to the eating habits of a rarefied Jesus-sandal-wearing set. Almost two decades later, the health-food obsession has gone mainstream and #CleanEating is trending on Twitter.

In Britain, there are now 542,000 vegans — a 350% increase over the past 10 years, according to research from the Vegan Society; 63% of them are female, nearly half of them are aged 15-34 and 88% of them live in urban areas. According to Public Health England, young women are also particularly likely to be deficient in both iron and calcium, both of which can be in short supply on a vegan diet if poorly planned.

Meanwhile, sales of “free-from” foods are one of the fastest growing parts of the retail sector. Sales of foods marketed directly at consumers following avoidance diets are forecast to grow by 13% from an estimated £470m in 2015 to £531m in 2016. A third of Brits have bought or eaten free-from foods in the past six months. This, despite the fact that gluten-free products are, on average, 242% more expensive than their gluten-containing counterparts.

By now we’re accustomed to ricocheting between fad diets, eschewing toxins and going gluten-free as we eat organic and order soya lattes. We buy Waitrose LoveLife quinoa and stock up on the Sainsbury’s Freefrom range. In a quest to Eat Awesome (as one popular vegan recipe book urges us), we flood Instagram with images of our kale smoothies and avo toast.

Our efforts are inspired by a coterie of meat-free, gluten-free, grain-free, dairy-free or sugar-free social-media goddesses with names like those of 18th-century courtesans: Deliciously Ella, Naturally Hannah, Hemsley+Hemsley, Madeleine Shaw, the Gracious Pantry — clean-eating sirens calling from the rocks of Instagram. Deliciously Ella’s website alone commands 5m hits a month.

Something that would have been unthinkable in the 1960s — when only hippies ate muesli — has happened: healthy eating has become aspirational, a status symbol. You need time to devote days to making cashew cream, and money to spend £7.50 on an acai bowl at Tanya’s Cafe, west London’s raw-food trough where the Made in Chelsea crowd ruminate. No wonder the term “orthorexia” chimes with people.

Besma Whayeb discovered this first hand when she wrote about the subject on her wellness blog, Curiously Conscious. She was contacted by numerous girls who believed they had a problem. Besma, 23, does not identify as orthorexic, but does identify with the pressures the term describes. She first got into clean eating at university, and “bought into all the hype. Everything I consumed online was about healthy eating: what’s the newest thing? What can I try? I bought a juicer. I asked my parents for a food processor for Christmas.”

Besma became devoted to her Instagram heroes: “Deliciously Ella, Naturally Hannah, Sprouted Kitchen … It was like food porn,” she says. The constant stream of bright smoothie bowls dotted with berries, locally sourced salads arranged in fresh swirls and gluten-free desserts sprinkled with rose petals was addictive and inspired her to start her own blog. She soon felt pressure to compete — “the same pressure you feel when you look at magazines and see skinny women wearing expensive clothes. At first it’s a desire to be like them. Then you don’t feel good enough.”

On a student budget, she struggled to afford baobab powder and Himalayan pink salt. “It seems like all these bloggers have the perfect life. Their food looks amazing. But it takes so much work and planning to create. I’d think, ‘How do you have time? Where do you get these amazing little flowers that you put on your breakfast? What is this powder called?’”

Researching and preparing food, finding organic farms and undergoing three-day juice cleanses, Besma “got to a point where it was almost obsessive”. At times, when she couldn’t afford the right organically sourced products, it seemed “impossible to eat”.

Social media exacerbated the problem. The healthy-eating community may be pure, but it can be judgmental. When followers were impressed by the food Besma posted on Instagram, they showered her in “likes”. On other posts, the silence was deafening. She confesses it is hard not to read that as “a measure of how much people like you”. So, if in 2013 Besma was posting pictures of her grandma’s chocolate cake and herself at the Green Man festival eating blue candyfloss (seven likes), by 2015 she was posting images of a raw-chocolate flapjack topped with goji berries, captioned “#healthyeating”, attracting 100 likes.

Besma felt under pressure to make her food look just right. “Because I was writing about healthy eating online, I felt I should be showing how amazing my food was. If I made a salad for lunch that wasn’t perfect, I felt lacking.” She says this despite knowing that much of what you see on Instagram is staged. That bloggers arrange food for photographs, but “by the time they’ve finished, the banana bits have gone brown and the food is cold. I would make an amazing peach smoothie bowl, but it’d be 2pm, I’d leave it on the side, it would defrost and I wouldn’t do anything with it.”

Besma says she wishes Instagrammers would be more honest; that they would admit, from time to time, that they binged on toast, went for a Chinese with friends or skipped 6am yoga sessions.

She thinks the clean-eating trend is as much about weight loss as it is about health — the “clean and lean” mentality; the way juice cleansers promise to get you into “the skinny mindset”. The trend also touches on our fear of mortality. Besma notes that Deliciously Ella’s brand is built on the story of how eating only natural ingredients helped Ella Woodward bounce back from postural tachycardia syndrome, an abnormal increase in heart rate after sitting or standing up that causes dizziness.

Besma watched one documentary in which “a guy makes everyone drink green juice and it makes you feel great. You’re no longer obese. You can’t get heart disease. There’s a feeling like it’s the immortal juice.” It was a message that spoke to Besma, whose mother had fought breast cancer. Afterwards, she “spiralled into healthy eating. I got really strict. Now, looking back, I see that pressure. I wanted to be the girl on Instagram and have those amazing meals in front of me. I also wanted to be invincible.”

Wellness gurus don’t claim to be doctors or nutritionists, but sometimes their science is questionable. For instance the Hemsley sisters, who were not available for comment, suggest on their blog that gluten “breaks down the microvilli in your small intestine, eventually letting particles of your food leach into your bloodstream, which is referred to as ‘leaky gut syndrome’” — but this is only true if you have coeliac disease, which affects about 1% of the population. Others have stated that “7 out of 10 people don’t have the enzyme to digest dairy properly” — which is true of the world as a whole; however, the NHS points out that only 1 in 50 people of northern European descent has any degree of lactose intolerance.

Some clean-eating bloggers’ claims aren’t just misleading, they are outright lies. The Australian “wellness” blogger Belle Gibson claimed on her mobile app The Whole Pantry and in a recipe book of the same name, published by Penguin Australia, that her diet cured her brain cancer — before she confessed last month that she never had cancer. Her company now faces potential fines of up to 1.1m Australian dollars (£548,000) by a consumer affairs watchdog. Penguin Australia has been fined A$30,000 for failing to check her claims.

Miguel Toribio-Mateas, a nutritional therapist and clinical neuroscientist, worries that some clean-eating gurus may “take healthy eating to an extreme when they remove whole food groups or advocate diets that are very low-protein, or with no animal protein”. Excluding foods “willy nilly … with no scientific basis” does not make “much nutritional sense”, Miguel says. “A lot of clean-eating ingredients are very low in protein, which makes it easy to follow a clean-eating diet that’s protein deficient. Protein is required for cellular structure, function and regulation of the body’s tissues and organs. A low-protein diet also makes you prone to picking up infections.”

The nutritionist Jo Travers adds that cutting out dairy means “you have to concentrate a lot harder on getting enough calcium to achieve and maintain good bone density”. She notes that vegan diets can lead to deficiencies in protein, iron, calcium, vitamin B12 and omega 3. Meanwhile, cutting carbohydrates forces your body to fuel itself on fat or protein.

A study by the British Nutrition Foundation found that 1 in 10 teenagers risks nutritional deficiencies, half of teenage girls take in insufficient iron and 1 in 5 inadequate calcium.

While not all clean eaters advocate cutting out carbohydrate and fat, Mark Berelowitz, clinical lead for child and adolescent mental-health services at the Royal Free Hospital in London, says that those diets that do are a “catastrophe” for teenagers. “The last thing they need is courgetti pasta and cauliflower rice. They will starve on that.”

He sees a link between obsessive clean eating and anorexia, which has an incidence rate of 1.5% among teenage girls in the UK. “A preoccupation with clean eating can be a symptom of significant issues with food,” says Berelowitz. “And 80-90% of the people with anorexia I see on the ward will be obsessed with clean eating. This is a problem that is increasing.”

Carrie Armstrong, 36, is an example of how extreme the obsession can become. She first turned to health food as a cure for her fatigue, which prevented her from working as an actress. Doctors said she had “post-viral fatigue syndrome”. After leaving hospital aged 26, she was in a wheelchair for the few hours a day she had the energy to get out of bed. Desperate to get better, she started Googling for cures: “The first thing that came up was diet,” she says. “‘Change your diet!’ Before-and-after miracles: ‘Doctors told me I was a hopeless case, but through diet I was healed!’ The first thing I thought was, ‘No wonder I got so sick.’ The second was, ‘How did I take so long to get sick when I’ve clearly been doing everything wrong for years?’ Then it was: ‘There is hope.’”

First she cut out meat. Then carbs. Then sugar. When one diet didn’t work, she would try the next: only eating cooked vegetarian food, then cooked vegan food. No dairy. When she didn’t see any improvement, she tried raw vegan. Soon, she was just eating salads, fruit and raw nuts. She stayed on raw food for a long time because “it seemed logical that something that severe had to work”. When it didn’t, she became a fruitarian. At one point, she fasted for 23 days, only consuming water. She had lost so much weight she was wearing children’s clothing. “This is the myth of the detox: you strip yourself down because your fat is where your toxins are stored. The aim is to get down to nothing, then the body builds itself back up. I’d think, ‘I must be there soon.’ Then I realised something was incredibly wrong.”

Carrie noticed she was constantly freezing. Her skin was sallow, her eyes sunken. The little energy she’d had was gone. She suffered stomach pains and bloating — “raw food is hard to digest”. Then her hair began falling out. In the mornings she would wake to find fresh bruises from where the mattress had touched her bone. Within a year, Carrie dropped from 11½st and “indifferent to food”, to 6st and eating just organic melon.

Isn’t melon quite high in sugar, I ask.

“Exactly!” she laughs. “Everyone has their own rules. They are just making it up.”

And yet the concept of “healthy eating” made it difficult for others to argue with her behaviour. “Unlike anorexia or bulimia, orthorexia you can wear as a badge of honour,” Carrie admits. “You can use it to say, ‘I’m right and you’re wrong.’”

Added to this is the way food has become morally charged: sugar is “evil”, while the terms “clean” eating and “cleansing” have religious connotations.

“Physically I was a wreck and emotionally I was a mess,” Carrie says. “It’s the ultimate First World problem, to say I’m afraid of celery,” she grins. Still, food addiction is relentless. Carrie would panic, three times a day: what can I eat? How little can I get away with? What diet am I on now? What do I need to avoid? She nods towards the cup of tea I’m drinking, which her boyfriend made me. “I’d be thinking, ‘What if there’s dairy in it, or caffeine?”

Unlike an alcoholic going dry, food isn’t something you can avoid. Carrie says her recovery involved learning to become indifferent to food once again — difficult, given the ubiquity of the clean-eating trend. When I ask Carrie if she is healthy now, she replies tentatively: “Healthy is such a loaded word for me. I don’t think there is healthy or unhealthy eating; it’s the thinking that’s unhealthy.”

Dr Angela Guarda, associate professor of psychiatry and behavioural sciences and director of the eating-disorders programme at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, says many cases of what might be termed orthorexia fall under the diagnosis of Arfid (avoidant/restrictive food intake disorder). Some Arfid patients experience significant weight loss after developing idiosyncratic ideas about their food tolerances or what is healthy. Guarda says the behaviour of some Arfid sufferers is strikingly similar to that of people with anorexia. Patients share “an overvalued belief they have to stick to a very rigid diet”. Arfid patients may claim to be focused on health rather than weight loss, but then Guarda notes this is also true of anorexic people. “That is what they tell you, but when you watch both groups in an environment where they have to eat, they often act in very similar ways. Both have narrowed their food repertoire down to very limited foods. They have ritualised eating habits and preparation rituals. They prolong eating. They generally avoid calorie-dense food. The reasons they give you may be different, but the restrictive-eating behaviour is similar.”

Guarda suggests that this is because “individuals with eating disorders rationalise their behaviour in various ways. Patients with anorexia often become vegetarian and say it is because they like animals, but it also allows them to limit what they eat, and explain why they are only having salad when everyone else is having a hamburger.” The same is true of some so-called orthorexics. “They may say, ‘I only eat organic food,’ but when you look at what organic food they are eating, it is low-fat, low-calorie and only what they prepare, so the end result is the same: many of them lose weight. They will talk about being vegetarian because it is healthy, how they developed a lactose intolerance, or how they had to cut out gluten. But this is part of their rationalisation for why they have restricted their food repertoire — a rationalisation that seems more acceptable both to other people and themselves.”

Creating a new label risks mistreating them, Guarda says. She also worries that orthorexia has positive connotations. “It can be seen as a virtue rather than a problem. In some cases, it is used by people as a more acceptable explanation for what essentially looks like and is anorexic behaviour.”

I ask Guarda if she feels the trend for clean eating, played out on social media, fuels obsessive behaviour. She says: “In part, perhaps because online blogs can provide a community of others that validate and normalise extreme beliefs.”

The popular bloggers mentioned in this article do advocate balanced diets, and issue warnings about extreme eating habits — although this is not always the message some teenage girls take away.

Clean Eating Alice, aka Alice Living, is a blogger with 313,000 Instagram followers and a feed peppered with pictures of almond milk and cinnamon zoats (a hybrid of oats and zucchini, the American word for courgette). She insists that she doesn’t advocate any one diet, physique or approach. “Make decisions based on them being right for you,” she says. “Don’t fear food, don’t restrict food groups and don’t cut stuff out because your friend down at the gym told you it worked for them.”

Alice believes having an audience on social media comes with responsibility — to be factually correct, and not to offer misleading advice. “People do take everything you say as gospel and you have to be so wary of that. I always say, ‘Take what I’m doing as inspiration,’ but I’m not dictating how they should eat.”

She advocates a “No BS” approach. It may be “trendy now to be gluten-free”, but “unless there is a medically diagnosed intolerance”, she wouldn’t tell anyone to cut gluten out. She never offers medical advice and insists that eating healthily shouldn’t mean rummaging on your knees in Whole Foods for specialist ingredients. Everything in her book is stocked in her local Tesco.

“People can eat well with the most basic ingredients,” she says. “Balance” sums up her approach. Some days she eats salmon salads topped with toasted seeds. Some days she’ll make a tub of ice cream. And she posts pictures of both. Interestingly, the ice cream pictures are starting to get as many “likes” as the salads. Perhaps, after years of crazy fads, a normal, balanced diet is finally coming back into vogue.

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I hate the orthorexia label, it seems it can be used against anybody who thinks about what they eat and has turned away from "everything in moderation". Certainly can be used against low carbers.
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There's disordered eating and there's the decision to choose foods wisely so that what you eat promotes health.

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I am intrigued by the social pressure angle. We had a recent case of a hiker dying from hypothermia because she kept pushing past crises and not changing her "minimal gear and prep" approach.

One of her daughters was interviewed stating it was the feedback on social media that kept her from reconsidering her approach; each time she would have another hiker come by and give her a blanket or she would find a group that would usher her back down the mountain. Until the time she did not.

When she would post these accounts she would get support instead of scolding!

And I see a similar thing going on with "clean eating" where the adherents get even more intense about it: not eating animal products leads to not eating in a kitchen who prepares animal products to not eating anything but plants until the final stage: fruitarianism. The food that WANTS to be eaten.

In the meantime, it is an attitude which withdraws from the cycle of life. Have anyone read vegan sources? Their eventual plan is to force plant-only diets on every animal, too!
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I'm bothered by the assertion in the first article (haven't finished the 2nd) that low carb causes constipation. The only thing I can think is that the sufferers are trying to combine low carb with low fat. Which is not properly low carb.
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