That's the question in the subject. If someone has not been able to lose weight for several years - related to a change in thyroid medication but they have measurable ketones is it just dietary fat?

Is there a way to test this?

Carbs below 20, temp 96.4, ketones high, no weight loss.

Carbs are in the 20s, temps 96.9, ketones high no weight loss

Carbs in the 30s temp 97.0-97.2, ketones moderate, no weight loss.

Carbs in the 40s temp 97.4-97.5, ketones neg-moderate, no weight loss.

dropped carbs from 100-50, temp 97.5-97.7, no ketones, lost 14lbs (just started LC)

that's a really good question and it's the reason that i don't use fat bombs, LOL. i wasn't losing for a really long time until i scaled back on the dietary fat a bit, i just use enough for cooking, but not 'extra' iykwim.

i'm sure somebody has a more technical explanation of how you can tell if you're burning your own fat vs dietary fat.

A good explanation of "Ketosis" vs fat-adaptation:
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/search?q=fat+adapted

Dr. Westman on Fat Consumption...We don't count Calories, but Calories still matter! He never said they didn't, and he has never advocated adding liquid fats like coconut oil or butter to coffee...IF you want to lose weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2g...cwqnSCWXbyKONOq

If you don't eat anything for a long period of time (let's say 3 days) you will be burning body fat, of this I'm pretty certain of as long as you have fat you can burn. Beyond that I'll wager a guess that you burn both at the same time cycling back and forth related to ingestion of food (fat) That's kind of the goal IMO is having a body that transitions easily between the two sources of fat, feeding and fasting. I think Jason Fung said, "You're either in a fed state, or a fasting state"

It's a pretty smart idea and I'll give full credit to who or what created these things we call bodies.

My question to you nawchem; What is the reason behind your question? Do you think it's related to your temperature readings?

I don't have a kitchen so my meals tend to be very redundant although I"m very satisfied with theme.

I usually waken in the night and unable to sleep eat 1 oz mac nuts. Just started this the last 2 night as I've gone weeks on very little sleep lately.

coffee 2 splenda, canned fish- often herring or sardines, if I'm trying for more carbs I add in sunflower seeds, or almonds, powdered creamer ect.

my main meal is 2 hamburger patties with cheese

afternoon coffee, sometimes decaf with 2 splenda, add something chicken, ham, cheese sticks, olives

salad, size and vegetables vary with how many carbs I'm going for. My last meal is 3-4pm and except for the nuts I don't eat again until 8-9am.

I weigh less before I go to bed than when I wake up.

I'm guessing after 23 years of LC, overcoming T2 diabetes I'm probably ketoadapted. My metabolism drops with lower carbs. I don't believe the enzymes in my body are functioning optimally when my temp is 96 degrees. I guess the ketostix are just picking up the dietary fat.

Next week dropping my calories down to 1000. I haven't counted a calories in this whole LC adventure.

Dieting is a really painful subject for me. My wt problem started when I was 5 and injured my pituitary. I counted calories until I was 32. I worked out 3 hours a day, even the day I had surgery. I did fasts that lasted up to 12 days and would lose about a pound. Other than that I never lost weight on any diet. I was not overweight at all I had to do all that just to maintain.

When I was 32 I had giardia and routine testing discovered I was diabetic. I was a fanatic bs reader and lost weight like crazy when I stopped eating anything that raised my bs. Diabetes went away after about 6 months.

Around age 40 found out that the problem had been low thyroid the whole time. 2 times since that discovery I've become obese both times I was inactive from injuries and drs had tinkered with my thyroid meds.

This time I've got my hands on some extra thyroid med and wondered if I could lost weight. I'm a little confused as 2 months ago I started on inhaled steroids and my bs isn't as stable as it used to be. I was never one to have water retention issues or plateaus. So mainly I'm confused why I have the symptoms of ketosis but not the weightloss. Why things slowed down when I lowered my carbs.

My understanding is that you can be "in ketoisis" an not lose weight. I can give you a concrete example; Me in June 2017. You can review the data below. My self prescribed "in ketoisis" level is 55 minimum on my Ketonix breath meter. I gained about 6 lbs in June and had a good, ketonix, time doing it

Since "dieting" is a painful subject for you perhaps you should avoid it and just pick your best guess at a way of eating that "should" work for you and do it for a year and see what happens. This way you'll not have to think much - thinking can cause pain - especially thinking about the past and future. You might be surprised at the result and what you might learn about yourself!

I wish you well!

===June 2017====

Kx = Ketonix Acetone, Nc = Estimated Net Carbs, Activity = (Type-Intensity[1-10])

Date - Kx - Nc - Activity
0601 - 70 - 30 - PaddleRace-8
0602 - 73 - 08 - Paddle-5
0603 - 78 - 40 - PaddleFishKitePaddle-8 187.4
0604 - 71 - 40 - PaddleKite-7
0605 - 76 - 24 - Paddle-4
0606 - 78 - 35 - Paddle-5
0607 - 73 - 28 - Windsurf-5
0608 - 75 - 30 - PaddleRace-8
0609 - 73 - 25 - Paddle-4
0610 - 77 - 60 - KiteWindsurf-7 188.6
0611 - 74 - 48 - Paddle-4
0612 - 66 - 25 - Paddle-3
0613 - 58 - 38 - Windsurf-7
0614 - 76 - 00 - Windsurf-4
0615 - 75 - 00 - Windsurf-6
0616 - 84 - 30 - Paddle-3 - 190.4
0617 - 86 - 35 - PaddleFish-4
0618 - 77 - 69 - Kiteboard-7
0619 - 60 - 31 - Low
0620 - 70 - 40 - WindsurfPaddle-6 189.2
0621 - 71 - 35 - Paddle-6
0622 - 65 - 40 - Med -
0623 - 75 - 40 - Kiteboard-8
0624 - 70 - 50 - Kiteboard-6 191.6
0625 - 58 - 45 - Kiteboard-8
0626 - 61 - 28 - Low
0627 - 57 - 45 - Kitefoil-7
0628 - 68 - 45 - Low
0629 - 65 - 40 - PaddleRace-8 192.8
0630 - 74 - 35 - Low

Exercise is a poor way to manage weight apparently I have not been this active in 13 years.

I think that's a great idea, all this analysis leads me to frustration and wanting to quit!

Maybe some of your weight gain is muscle.

quiting is where the problems begin



That's more thinking. The answer for me is "I HAVE NO IDEA! - I don't really care to know - I am happy with what I have today"

Now, see how quickly we've turned away from trying to figure out what kind of fat were burning and toward what can I do today to affect tomorrow? Step One: Adjust attitude, relax

that's a lot of smile faces

You will do well.

Jey, Walnut and Thud thanks for taking the time to reply. Very much appreciate that.

Thanks very much for lifting my spirits Thud, will give it a best shot.