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Old Sun, Jul-22-18, 09:52
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THank you Janet--
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Old Sun, Jul-22-18, 10:05
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from the above source
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What is a Well Formulated Ketogenic Diet for Kids?
So what does a ketogenic diet for kids look like? There are a couple recommendations that a different when it comes to kids and keto. First, kids need more protein (per pound of lean mass) than adults. While adults have a protein goal of about 0.8 times your lean mass (in pounds) for grams of protein per day, kids need much more to help fuel their growth. Healthy growth needs lots of complete amino acids to build new muscles and help kids grow. For young kids around 5-8 years old or so, they need about 3.0 times their lean mass for their protein goal each day. Pre-teens and teens need about 2.0 times their lean mass.

So what does that look like? Letís say you have a 8-9 year old (like our son Micah) who is about 60 pounds. He is pretty lean so his lean mass is maybe 50-55 pounds of lean mass. So his protein goal is about 3 times that or 150 grams of protein a day. He is on the upper edge of the 3.0 range so he generally could get between 2.0 and 3.0 times his lean mass so a goal of 100-150 grams of protein a day is a good place to start. But generally speaking, just donít limit the protein. Let them eat as much as they need along with all the healthy fats that come with it.

The other change we do for growing kids is we donít do any form of fasting (intermittent or otherwise). Kids growth demands require a lot of fuel and their stomachs arenít big enough so they need 3 meals a day and sometimes a bedtime snack. But they donít need to be snacking all day long. If they eat until full with three meals they donít generally require any snacks except sometimes in the evening.


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Our recommendation for adults is 0.8 times your lean mass (in pounds) for your protein grams a day. Kids need much more to fuel growth. Young kids like toddlers need 3.0 times their lean mass. Early teens maybe 2.0 times their lean mass.


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And if you want to talk about what is the real SUPERFOOD, organ meats like beef liver top anything out there. Beef liver is one of the most nutrient dense foods out there. So we suggest adding a serving or two a week to kick up your nutrient density. Donít like beef liver? We like to hide it so our boys donít even know it is in there. We make a recipe that has a spicy flavor profile like our Breakfast Chili and sub some of the ground beef for ground beef liver. Mix it together and with the spice of the chili you donít even know it is in there!



There are MANY micronutrients specific to vegetables, two that come to mind are in apples and kale.

The comparison chart uses beef. Is this convensional beef or grassfed beef? ANd what percent of the diet is beef versus chicken, pork and fish. My understanding is that poultry is by far the protein of choice in the american diet.

Did not see specifics. Looking.

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Old Sun, Jul-22-18, 11:10
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I watched a video of a biscuit---kerrygold cheese and butter, think that one is organic, not sure it is grassfed.

I have concerns about eating a lot of nuts.......

Perhaps serving the meat with pan gravy and sauted vegies is enough.
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Old Sun, Jul-22-18, 11:46
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A convoluted trail led me back to ADHD and the treatment drugs that raise the dopamine levels by blocking the receptors. Like Ritlin and a dozen others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_agonist

Which was a link at this site when investigating thyroid function, or rather possible disfunction.

https://www.restartmed.com/medicati...yroid-problems/

These medications can complicate your clinical picture and make determining how to proceed with thyroid dosing difficult.

Medications which are known to lower your TSH include:

Glucocorticoids (5) (which includes steroids such as prednisone) - Frequently used to treat inflammatory conditions and autoimmune diseases.
Dopamine agonists - Often used to treat Parkinson's disease.
Somatostatin analogs (6)- Used in rare forms of cancer to block hormone production.
Metformin (7)- Used to treat insulin resistance and type II diabetes mellitus.


This is a distressing list of side effects-- it includes all the 4 types above, and not separated out by drug. I recognize some of these problems as connected to the ADD drugs.


Side effects
Some of the common side effects of dopamine agonists include:[8][9]

Euphoria
Pericardial effusion
Fibrous thickening of lining that covers some of the internal organs including the heart or the lungs (fibrotic reaction)
Hallucinations
Causing or worsening psychosis
Orthostatic hypotension
Increased orgasmic intensity
Weight loss
Anorexia (symptom)
Nausea and possible vomiting
Insomnia
Unusual tiredness or weakness
Dizziness
Drowsiness
Possible Narcolepsy manifestations (Sleep attacks)[10]
Lightheadedness
Raynaud's phenomenon (common side effect of ergot derivatives)
Syncope
Twitching, twisting, or other unusual body movements
Pathological addiction (gambling, shopping, internet pornography, hyper-sexuality) Ė specifically D3-preferring agonists
After long-term use of dopamine agonists, a withdrawal syndrome may occur, during dose reduction or discontinuation, with the following possible side effects: anxiety, panic attacks, dysphoria, depression, agitation, irritability, suicidal ideation, fatigue, orthostatic hypotension, nausea, vomiting, diaphoresis, generalized pain, and drug cravings. For some individuals, these withdrawal symptoms are short-lived and make a full recovery, for others a protracted withdrawal syndrome may occur with withdrawal symptoms persisting for months or years.[11]



Some medical drugs act as dopamine agonists and can treat hypodopaminergic (low dopamine) conditions; they are typically used for treating Parkinson's disease (PD), Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (in the form of stimulants) and certain pituitary tumors (prolactinoma), and may be useful for restless legs syndrome (RLS). Both ropinirole and pramipexole are FDA-approved for the treatment of RLS. There is also an ongoing clinical trial to test the effectiveness of the dopamine agonist ropinirole in reversing the symptoms of SSRI-induced sexual dysfunction.[6]

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Arielle,
My friend Jess is doing an interview later this morning, about an hour from when posting this, with a young man on the Autism Spectrum, who has lost 92 pounds doing Keto. It's a public FB group so you should be able to see it? The interview remains after this FB Live is over so posting it on this thread. https://www.facebook.com/groups/311...98932467214996/


ps: Tried to send a PM, storage space is full.
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Old Wed, Aug-22-18, 20:45
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THanks Janet,still trying to access the talk. Im not a facebook user, so will ask a friend to help me find the actual talk. Im dying to know what aspects were helped by changing the diet.

Ya I keep PM full .
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Old Thu, Aug-23-18, 02:42
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The link above was to Jess's announcement. This is the link to the Video itself, still on FB. https://www.facebook.com/jessica.du...?type=2&theater

John is in college now, he wants to teach special needs kids. He talked about improved focus, skills he needed to get through HS and continue education.
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Old Thu, Aug-23-18, 05:04
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Thanks , Janet. Watching it now.
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