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Old Thu, May-03-18, 15:30
ReneeH20 ReneeH20 is offline
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I think that it's there's a lot less waterline and volume in front of the mast foot. It makes the board hard to keep straight and the nose from submerging underwater when not on foil. I was able to get a lot of non-foiling practice the other day so finding ways to adapt to it but super hard on body possition.

Like most things new from a physical perspective, I'm trying to use my thinking brain to control my body and test different things. This is part of the process of internalizing the things that work, mostly by trial, error and accident - there's really no one to share notes with - New Frontiers = embrace Fears





Ok. Thanks for the explanation. Learning a new skill is frustrating and fun. So frustrating when you are trying to make all those physical adjustments and failing. But oh the moment of triumph when it is finally mastered (or even first mastered). The struggle makes it that much sweeter.
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Old Sat, May-05-18, 08:13
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After posting in someones journal that mention that eating low carb was hard - and earlier mentioning hard work and determination and will power and stuff like that - stuff that you think you can control by will, I was reminded why I think I enjoy being in the water, especially under it in a difficult situation like being under a sail still hooked in or getting ragdolled in big surf.

You need to breath. The water doesn't care.

All the fighting, panicking, struggling, summoning will power don't change water to air. Your lungs need air. You need air. The best lessons I have learned to get that air is to Relax, Let go, observe and wait or move purposefully but not hurriedly. If you are going to die, you are going to die. Struggling focuses the mind on few things that my be irrelevant , Relaxing allows the mind to see options come and go. Letting go allows one to quickly discard things that are not useful. I'm not sure why I wrote that but it came from being under a sail in cold water yesterday and reading someone else relating to a bad situation too.

There's always hope. Keep that option wide open and highly available!

Relax into what the day brings you. Give what you can to others. Be kind to yourself. Have fun, It's a good example for others around you. At least it is for me. I like being around people excited and slightly astonished to be alive.





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Old Sat, May-05-18, 09:22
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Nice post, Thud. I don't always 'get' your philosophies, but I sort of got that one. I'm in a minimal struggle, take life as it comes zone right now. The cup is more than half full. Nice place to be.
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Old Sun, May-06-18, 05:38
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Nice post, Thud. I don't always 'get' your philosophies, but I sort of got that one. I'm in a minimal struggle, take life as it comes zone right now. The cup is more than half full. Nice place to be.


Thanks for the visit Ken! I don't get my philosophies either, most don't make sense and I just write stuff down as I think of it. They spring from a mish mash of what I hear, what I read and what I've experienced to be true for myself. Taking life as it comes is a good place to be, struggling is optional when you realize there's nothing to struggle with after applying acceptance to what is. Things change on their own without much self volition. Try to stop from getting old. Try to stop from getting sick. Try to stop from dying. I am not ultimately in control and as I have heard said it is because the concept of "I" is false as something that exists. There is a body that exists in space and time but the thing I consider "I" or me appears to be an activity - something that changes over time and can not be pin pointed in space, captured in time, measured or weighed.

This activity that I might call me has been conditioned by what has come before. So with that in mind I'm trying to train it today, the only day I can do anything about my future, with stuff that might be beneficial to myself and there by others, to resolve the suffering that comes from knowing that "I" (pun intended) am growing old, will get sick, and eventually, die.

This is OK.

So yesterday I went fishing so I didn't have to think about stuff like this. I only had to think like a fish for a while haha! Distractions are ok I think but when I think about this one it do injure fish, oh well. Plenty of work to do on living well.

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Old Tue, May-08-18, 10:18
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Wanted to get an idea of my lean body mass so I did a little searching and came up with this Bod Pod thing. It works kind of like water immersion but it uses air pressure or something. I don't really care too much about my total weight but wanted to get an idea of lean mass to calculate protein, or at least get an estimate of what some of the recommendations are and how they might compare to what I eat naturally. I might increase or decrease the amount for a time. Here's the result...



Seems about right, I get a lot of physical activity so it makes sense that I might have a slightly higher percent non-fat mass than normal BMI calculation for my height and weight of 29. So now different ideas of how much protein is enough Probably anywhere from 77- 192g ha! I'll do more research.

More foiling research yesterday, got out on the biggest one. Holy crap is that fun and in almost no wind. So much more learning to come this season. I put my flip flop on the foil to give some scale. This foil is HUGE!



And some numbers since last posting of numbers for numbers sake...

KX=Ketonix, NC=Net Carb, LBS=English Pounds, Act=(Type-Intensity[1-10])
Date - Kx - Nc - Lbs - Act
0501 - 73 - 23 - 213 - WindFoil-4
0502 - 76 - 00 - 216 - Med
0503 - 73 - 37 - 213 - Low
0504 - 59 - 20 - 217 - WindFoil-8
0505 - 63 - 40 - 215 - PaddleFish-4
0506 - 67 - 36 - 219 - PaddleFish-3
0507 - 67 - 00 - 219 - WindFoil-5
0508 - 68 - 00 - 212 -
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Old Wed, May-09-18, 10:36
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I counted the protein from yesterday including vegetables and nuts etc and came in at 223g so that was pretty far over event the high end of what I've heard 2g per 1Kg body weight / day

Today is a fast day so probably not a bad idea to go into it with a full tank of protein. I'm planning on windSUPfoiling this afternoon so working out I guess you'd call it.

EDIT... plugged some of the stuff into the ketoGains calc and came up with this after using a 15% calorie deficit for light fat loss and maintain lean mass, what ever that means! But bottom line the calc has a protein number that I will try to get close to or at least see if my "natural" way of eating now is Under, Over or about the Same as listed. I think days I eat it might be slightly under. It's also good to know by counting that a bag of pork rinds that I eat almost after every session while driving is 42g protein. Probably not the best source but 42g ha!



EDIT 2 ... hmmm this is interesting. I've never put this much thought into food before. So I'm going thru the USDA food search thing and thinking how am I going to get protien. Ground beef 85% .8Kg get's me to 149g protein and 120g fat - now I could probably tailer a salad/snack to fill in the extra protein and fat and limit the carbs at 25 (I'd use net as I'm used to that and it's easier).

I can eat the same thing day after day after day so what I'm thinking of doing is getting one of those GIANT rolls of ground beef from Walmart and portioning out and bagging up and freezing .8Kg (1.76 lbs) rations. Then maybe do the same with chicken and pork (probably harder to hit the FAT macro right but fat can be added fairly easily). This could be a fun experiment.

I'll have to admit the thought of eating 1.76 lbs of ground beef every day is appealing to me, not appalling. Can one live on Ground beef and a salad every day? And also fast a couple days a week? Maybe.

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Old Wed, May-09-18, 20:29
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Can one live on Ground beef and a salad every day? And also fast a couple days a week? Maybe.


Probably, but why would you want To?
Isn't the idea to be healthy and balanced?
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Old Wed, May-16-18, 11:04
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Probably, but why would you want To?
Isn't the idea to be healthy and balanced?

Hi Robyn, thanks for the visit! I would like to make my eating much simpler and more geared toward "just for fuel and health" - and drift further away from trying to come up with clever and tasty things to eat. Too much work thinking about food, simpler, better maybe for me. I'm going to put together a little list of meat and protien per 100g wet. Bottom line is that I'm planning on eating more protein and less fat as I have plenty onboard to convert to energy.

Getting out on the water now fishing and regular SUPing - paddled the new small board yesterday. Quite a balancing act as it's marginally floating me.

I heard today this and will try to apply, "Life starts where your comfort zone ends"

Fishing selfy sent to my brothers to get out on mothers day and get fishing! They had other plans...



New SUP/Foil



Drysuit - will not be long before boardshorts and rashgaurd!



2 day a week fasting continues, weight slowly dropping. Might see 90Kg by end of next month. That would be cool but not expecting too much.

KX=Ketonix, NC=Net Carb, LBS=English Pounds, Act=(Type-Intensity[1-10])

Date - Kx - Nc - Lbs - Act
0508 - 68 - 20 - 212 - Low
0509 - 69 - 00 - 215 - WindFoil-8
0510 - 71 - 35 - 213 - Med
0511 - 55 - 20 - 214 - WindFoil-7
0512 - 61 - 22 - 217 - LDP-4
0513 - 56 - 14 - 214 - PaddleFish,LDP-7
0514 - 58 - 00 - 216 - Low
0515 - 73 - 24 - 210 - Paddleboard-3
0516 - 70 - 00 - 213 -

Heading out to foil in a few mins So Happy!
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Old Thu, May-17-18, 12:36
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Thought about you yesterday when I was grocery shopping and saw those giant ground beef tubes. Wondering how the ground beef, salad, & fasting experiment is going? Also curious about how you figure out what days to fast. Do you fast on days you are out fun hogging? If you do does it seems to have any type of effect on your performance level or the way you feel after your activity? I have been considering doing a fast, but am a tad concerned about doing one on a training day.

Hope you are having fun out on the water. Feels like spring finally arrived over the weekend.
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Old Tue, May-22-18, 10:09
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...Wondering how the ground beef, salad, & fasting experiment is going? Also curious about how you figure out what days to fast. Do you fast on days you are out fun hogging? If you do does it seems to have any type of effect on your performance level or the way you feel after your activity? I have been considering doing a fast, but am a tad concerned about doing one on a training day...

Thanks for the visit Renee. I've been eyeing the ground beef "chubs" as I come to find out they are call in these parts. I picked on 80% 3lb one the other day and broke it up into 4 12oz pieces and put in freezer, actually I ate the first one so there's 3 in the freezer. I have not done the eating experiment yet just kind of keeping more protein on hand and focusing on that for meals - it keeps the carbs down thats for sure. Not adding fat or eating fat for fats sake other than some heavy cream in coffee.

Weight continues to drop, fitness level continues to improve. Much time on the water as possible, mostly foilboarding.

FASTING: I'm doing 2 days a week and it usually monday and wednesday - on fasting days I'll be active or not (like yesterday I was not at all - recovering from weekend) I don't notice that I'm have any less or more energy on a fasting day, in fact I don't notice much change at all in anything other than the scale the next day show how much water changes happened. Maybe something good will come of it or not. I know that I don't ever HAVE to have a meal or a day or three of not eating. My body just seems to be fine with it - adjusting on the inside.

So, not sure if that made any sense or was helpful. Got a chance to fish the other day when the wind died. I was coming back in and saw a bunch of crappies in this spot not far off shore, I took the sail off the board and found them and caught a bunch and released them. I kind of felt bad for them as it was so easy to catch them. Had one very cool thing happen with a fish that I was reeling in, a big Muskie slashed by and tried to eat the fish on the end of my line. It was shocking. Then it happened again with a smaller Norther Pike - I've never see that in a lake, only in ocean. Water was very clear and I could see down at least 10 feet and identify fish.







for the record - fasting can usually be observed by 00 under NC (net carbs) the previous day and the corresponding drop in water weight the morning after. Usually a 5-7 lb change from first fasted day of week (usually mondays)

KX=Ketonix, NC=Net Carb, LBS=English Pounds, Act=(Type-Intensity[1-10])

Date - Kx - Nc - Lbs - Act
0516 - 70 - 00 - 213 - WindFoil,PaddleFish-4
0517 - 72 - 36 - 208 - Low
0518 - 57 - 22 - 212 - WindFoil-8
0519 - 60 - 20 - 214 - WindFoil-8
0520 - 52 - 15 - 214 - WindFoil-6
0521 - 62 - 00 - 214 - None
0522 - 71 - 12 - 210 -
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