Interesting! I've googled for a few minutes but can't really find anything. Do you have any links with more information?

I bumped it for you. I stick stuff in there about Dairy when I run across it.

Cool thanks Nancy.

I was actually wondering the same about Pennink's idea about B12 being related to water blistery "mouth zits." If anyone has any info on that too I would be grateful.

How odd, Atkins has no limits on fat, meat, but has limit on cheese, so why did you feel driven to cheese when its limited by Atkins?? If you wanted fat why not just have fatty meat or other kind of animal fats?

I felt like I could only eat so much meat before I got nauseated by it. When I'm not on Atkins, I would have added another pile of veggies to the plate and doused it in some fat, but I couldn't add the veggies b/c of the carbs. So I was left with cheese.

There is an upper limit on the amount of protein you can eat.

cheese got protein as well as fat

http://www.healthyontario.com/Condi...?disease_id=143


you won't believe the stuff that happens to you if you are deficient in B12

In fact, how most people say, it's stress-induced oddities (ie, cankers, shakes, all kinds of things) well, B12 and B complex helps with stress problems.

Hi, Elizabeth! Long time no see. Was wondering when I'd see you post again.

I'm on dairy elimination right now, and although I didn't experience quite what you were experiencing with the inside of your lip (no zit type things), but I did get lots of 'ulceration' type inflammation on the inside of my lower lip and around the inside of my mouth. Once I stopped all dairy (even cultured butter), this ALL went away, so I know that dairy is inflammatory for me and must be completely avoided -- even cultured butter. Don't know if its the casein or what, but I just don't seem to tolerate dairy.

Just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in your mouth inflammatory reaction re: dairy.

As long as you are a baby, milk may be necessary - Later on the body adapts and craves for "real" food.

Until puberty I drank a glass of cow milk every day. But when I turned 15 I couldn't stomach it any more. I guess my physiognomy just changed. My body developed past milk.

For adults cow milk is a definite "no go"! (Except perhaps a shot of cream in the coffee)

Hey yourself! Yeah, I was gone for a little while. I sprained my ankle and kind of abandoned the computer.



Well I'm not glad that you get mouth ulcerations, but I'm glad to know I'm not alone in this mouth inflammation reaction. I don't know anyone else in real life who reacts to food the same way I do, so sometimes I start to feel like I'm a little crazy! I don't think I've ever done paleo with absolutely no dairy (I always still ate butter), but this is really inspiring me to give it up. I'm on day 2 so far. Here's to no butter!

Just wanted to pop in here and wish you luck with the absolutely no dairy thing. Here's hoping you feel better soon.

I use olive oil or other fats to cook with instead of butter. Haven't touched dairy since last summer, but there have been 'incidents' - and they haven't been fun (I'm pretty intolerant).

If you're not trying to lose weight - coconut milk is a really nice thing to have. Makes a great Thai Green Curry stir fry bowl too.

Oh, and Almond Breeze Unsweetened Vanilla Almond milk is pretty nice as well. Very low carb - much, much better than all the other 'milk alternatives' out there. Sometimes I add a touch of real vanilla extract to kick up the flavour a bit. It's quite good, actually. <note: I have no idea whether things like almond milk or coconut milk would be 'Paleo'>

Hi everyone,

I was curious whether my own inability to drink milk was an individual trait or more of a common thing. I checked on wikipedia and found an article on Lactose intolerance (as it is called).

Apparently 70% of adult men and woman are incapable of properly digesting cow milk.

That is quite a shocking number. So I guess that answers the question whether cow milk is good for adults or not. I'll stick to soy products.

You might want to read this regarding soy....
http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html

My daughter is lactose intolerant, but the rest of the family uses milk. Considering that cows are fed gmo grain, and there is some evidence that fertility in livestock fed gmo grain is dropping, they may not be drinking that anymore either.
Cerridwen

Thanks for the link. Isn't that terrible news? Modern Soy milk does not cover the nutritional needs the way I had hoped. What about the products where the packaging says they are supplemented with calcium and B12? Can these additives be processed by the human body in a practical way?

What other milk-like alternatives are there to cow milk and soy milk? Is rice milk any good? Someone posted about almond milk, any reference pages there with pros and cons?