Here is where it could get into that sticky realm where there might be substantial differences among different populations in terms of tolerance of different foodstuffs. Maybe you did fine on their diet but doesn't mean everyone will. Dr. D'Adamo has his evolution-of-the-blood-types theories and there are others running about.

Like the Sami or Koyukon, tribes that live in the far north, but more temperate areas, I tend to treat vegetables and fruits more as medicine than food. I used to be a raw vegan and felt pretty awful with them as a staple.

Cbcb are your weight stats correct?

Yes. I have a very hard time losing weight and the gain from far lower has been on less than what maintenance calories are supposedly and much of the gain has been on calorie levels between 800 and 1200, with conventional carbs for that calorie level but relatively little bread and processed carbs. I've been able to lose what I have lost mainly by bumping up calories to 1400-1500 but strongly restricting carbs and increasing the fat percentage. I was heavy around 10 years old, lost 60 lbs. about half through lowcarb and the other half through just calorie cutting ... Greens, lite dressing, lowcal fruit, veggies, very little fat at all, and just the basic daily requirement for protein. http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publicatio...ielinski9.pdfIt was hard to lose that way on 1,000.... had to cut back to 750 and then that stopped working for weight loss. Also my cholesterol shot up on the calorie restriction with very low fat. I jogged almost daily, tried weights. Followed the conventional diet wisdom of that day. Over the following decades my weight has risen...much of it during times when I had raised calorie levels to more like 1000-1100 for the sake of some prudence and was jogging 4-5 miles about 5 times a week. Tried that with vegetarian too. And there has never been a period in my life since childhood where I just ate anything or hit the donuts and Oreos etc.

Yes. I have a very hard time losing weight and the gain from far lower has been on less than what maintenance calories are supposedly and much of the gain has been on calorie levels between 800 and 1200, with conventional carbs for that calorie level but relatively little bread and processed carbs. I've been able to lose what I have lost mainly by bumping up calories to 1400-1500 but strongly restricting carbs and increasing the fat percentage. I was heavy around 10 years old, lost 60 lbs. about half through lowcarb and the other half through just calorie cutting ... Greens, lite dressing, lowcal fruit, veggies, very little fat at all, and just the basic daily requirement for protein.

It was hard to lose that way on 1,000.... had to cut back to 750 and then that stopped working for weight loss. Also my cholesterol shot up on the calorie restriction with very low fat. I jogged almost daily, tried weights. Followed the conventional diet wisdom of that day.

Over the following decades my weight has risen...much of it during times when I had raised calorie levels to more like 1000-1100 for the sake of some prudence and was jogging 4-5 miles about 5 times a week. Tried that with vegetarian too. And there has never been a period in my life since childhood where I just ate anything or hit the donuts and Oreos etc. Also there was a time in past few years not carb restricting just calories that my body fat percentage was in the 40s. That came down via lowcarb, but since then my weight has risen (seems any time I try higher carb) but the body fat percentage has stayed down where you see it in my stats.

No. I just think it's a diet that for the most part tastes like crap and makes me feel horrible.



I think they are a great thing to have around in case we run out of meat, or need to fatten up before a long fast.



I humorously think: "Are they fattening up for winter?"



Almost all of the fish available in the supermarket is far too lean to be worth eating - so I don't bother. Not to mention, seafood is mostly high in salt. I do eat eggs now and again because I enjoy them in limited quantity and they don't make me feel like crap.

The only thing I think about those who eat fish and vegetables is; More power to ya - Eat what you enjoy. I'm not on a crusade.

If they asked me my opinion about fish and veggies I'd tell them I'm better off without them, and I think they probably would be too.

I agree. Lately, I have been seriously wondering if different ways of eating attract different personality types or if different eating patterns actually cause the expression of different personalities. At least at the margins. For instance, it seems like vegans seem to be drawn to non-confrontational, contemplative behavior patterns, while zero carbers seem to be very "in your face" and arrogant. But which is cause and which is effect? Of course, I am only speaking of extremes and stereotypes, here. Not hard data.

And, this is the most important point. There are foods that do that to me too (gluten and dairy) - so, out they go, even if someone suggests that organic dairy is "ok" or even healthy. Just doesn't work for me.

I wouldn't be eating vegetables if I didn't like them or they made me feel bad.

And, I happen to *love* salmon, so it's definitely in.

Not likely. My body prefers VLC and I am definitely a mellow, laid-back, non-confrontational, contemplative thinking type. Eating more meat has not made me more assertive-though I wish it did.

And I went on a float trip with a vegan this summer, who shouted down a group of 20-somethings for killing a water mocassin. We were all afraid she would get us killed.

I eat wild salmon weekly fried lightly in tons of coconut oil and butter to up the fat. Besides, I'm sure that our hunter-gatherer ancestors would never have turned up their noses at any edible animal food including insects. But just as eating insects is repugnant to most of us, there are people who choose to eat beef over fish and that's ok too. Whatever is sustainable to keep you eating on plan is what works and should be encouraged.

King crab is a favorite of mine, but it is loaded with salt. I haven't had it since low carbing and since I'm also salt free now I might find it salty instead of tasty.

I eat beef because I favor it and it's full of fat. I buy fatty chuck steaks and ribeyes. Depends on the budget. I've bought chicken twice and twice it spoiled in my fridge, never cooked. I went to the store and bought more beef instead of making the chicken. I don't buy chicken anymore.

If I favored fish I have no doubt I'd be pouring on extra fat so I could eat it and get my energy too.

You haven't ever heard of PETA, obviously. A very large, politically and socially active group of arragant, in your face, vegans who will not rest until you, I and everyone in the world eats exactly as they do.

i'm hoping that none of the people eating meat didn't take this literally...
we all know how ZC clears the fog from our heads and calms our life down, but i don't believe for a minute that any of these people are arrogant.. i find them........
done with all other types of diet and now they are trying to find something that works...

shame on you.

If anything this way of eating has calmed me down considerably. If carnivores are "in your face" it's because you have attacked them. Just because we are of improved disposition doesn't mean we will take attacks on our way of eating mildly.

Here's a 100-year-old gal--who just set an athletic record--who doesn't eat her vegetables:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl...le1320765/

100-year-old woman sets shot put record:



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