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Old Mon, Nov-03-08, 20:37
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www.glucocil.com
Like Ron,I'm a little leery of combo pills.
Sometimes they work.
Ron
The D-Care sugar blocker that you always refer to as gymnema
sylvestre is also a combo pill but it seems to work for you.
Viva your success !
Cheers
Eddie

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Old Mon, Nov-03-08, 21:20
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Eddie,

True, the D-Care sugar blocker is a combo pill.

Each pill:
Gymnema Sylvestre: 83 mg
Chromium Picolinate: 67 mcg
Vanadyl Sulfate: 5 mg

In addition to this:

I take a chromium picolinate pill that has 400mcg in it and another 132mcg of chromium picolinate that is in a D-Care Multivitamin & Mineral Formula pill that I take daily.

That same multivitamin also has 25mcg of vanadyl sulfate, so I'm getting extra of it there too....

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so, I guess I'm saying I don't trust my D-Care combo pill to do the work...

Success is elusive.......... but possible.........

Ron
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Old Tue, Nov-04-08, 07:56
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I would like to address the idea of his supplement being marked up, it undoubtedly is. But so are pharmacuticals. The last time I was prescribed Actos, a months supply was over 200. A months supply of Fortmet was 178. My husbands medicine to treat his esophagal bleeding was over 100 dollars. So in light of that twenty nine dollars seems like a small price to pay.

I took the two weeks free sample. And recieved a discount code for my first order. I have found that your first order can be any quantity and the code will still apply.

However, when I ordered my first months supply, not only did I get the discount, I also recieved an email that I would be getting an extra month free.

I had been in communication with the manufacturer during the strange low readings, kept them informed and as a result they are giving me a month free.

How many big Pharmacuetcal company's would even reply if you had a concern. For that matter, not many doctor's would take the time to follow up as closely as the manufacturer of Glucocil has done.

I have found also that what works for one person, may not work for another person. But I think a two week free trial is a good way to find out. Much less expensive than shelling out for a RX that doesn't work (been there done that) *smile* (or maybe not *smile*(
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Old Tue, Nov-04-08, 08:38
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People spend billions on statins every year and they only work on one out of 250 people so compared to that, supplements are cheap.
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Old Tue, Nov-04-08, 09:53
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I was making a comparison between combo supplements to a straight supplement cost and how I've noticed that combos tend to be a little higher, when you take into the account of cost per amount of the ingredients.

What really irks me is that all medicines here in the USA costs so much more then in China. I've seen some supplements that sell here for $10 that can be purchased in China for .10 cents...

Cost of living in China is about 4 to 7 times cheaper then the average cost of living in the USA, but yet our medicines and supplements are often 100 times higher and sometimes even higher than that..... Big Pharma companies, even the ones who seem to be more reasonable and more caring such as the makers of Glococil are described in the prior post, are making millions off of us. Many folks are against socialized medicine, but something needs to be done about our medical system in the USA..... sorry for the rant....
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Old Tue, Nov-04-08, 10:01
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Question Glucotrim

Nancy
The 24 mg is the amount of glucotrim,not the amount of corosolic acid.
The product info states 18% of corosolic acid(4.32 mg) but right below,it states
a minimum of 1% corosolic acid(.24 mg).
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Old Tue, Nov-04-08, 10:02
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I'm confused too. I saw another site where it said 24mg per capsule. Here Maybe I'll contact the company and ask.

Ok, I just sent them an inquiry. Hopefully we'll find out soon.

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Old Tue, Nov-04-08, 10:03
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"Many folks are against socialized medicine, but something needs to be done about our medical system in the USA....."
Ron,sign me up in your rant club.
Eddie
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Old Wed, Nov-05-08, 12:42
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Ok, don't buy the Glucofit there's hardly any of the active ingredient in it.

And I'm getting even more confused now...

the study I linked before said 48mg of corosolic acid.

Now I'm seeing a reference to the same study that says .48. Bah! I need to find the original study, not read these extrapolations.

Ok, I'm beginning to think some of these studies are bogus. I found this: http://www.drugs.com/npp/banaba.html
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Clinical data

Human trials performed on the effect of banaba lowering blood glucose are lacking in mainstream, credible medical literature. Web sites mention studies performed: eg, in 1998 (Tokyo Jikeikai Medical School, Japan), 24 type 2 diabetic patients given corosolic acid had reduced blood glucose levels after 4 weeks. Although results of this study sound promising, no credible evidence was found to support these claims.

One credible human trial was found in a small, randomized, clinical trial involving type 2 diabetic patients receiving a daily oral dose of banaba standardized extract, Glucosol (1% corosolic acid). Researchers found that dosages of 32 and 48 mg administered for 2 weeks significantly reduced blood glucose levels. Glucosol in a softgel capsule showed a 30% decrease vs a 20% drop seen with a dry powder-filled, hard gelatin capsule, suggesting better bioavailability from the former product. 28


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None well documented. In one small, randomized, clinical trial involving type 2 diabetic patients, researchers found that dosages of 32 and 48 mg of a banaba extract standardized to 1% corosolic acid (glucosol preparation) administered for 2 weeks significantly reduced blood glucose levels. 28
Ok, so actually that'd be a really tiny amount of corosolic acid. I think I'm catching onto this. Glucosol contains a small amount of corosolic acid. So the 48mg mentioned isn't the actual corosolic acid, it's the total of this stuff called glucosol, of that 48mg there is 1% corosolic acid.

*lightbulb goes off*

So the Glucofit product is probably just fine actually. Or google for glucosol and make sure it has 48mg of that in it 1% corosolic acid. Or take that much.

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Old Wed, Nov-05-08, 14:19
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I found a study that claimed corosolic acid is not the only helpful
agent in banaba.Sorry to say I didn't preserve the link.
Interestingly enough,my BG control seems to be better than ever
after taking three 300 mg banaba pills per day for 5 days.
I am waking up with FBG in low 80's.PP BG is also better than
ever.I am not 100 percent sure that the banaba is causing this.
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Old Wed, Nov-05-08, 14:23
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Originally Posted by eddiemcm
I am not 100 percent sure that the banaba is causing this.
Eddie


When did you stop the berberine? When I get off of it, it has a residual effect for up to a week. Perhaps the residual effect and the banaba is an indication that these two herbs in combination might really be effective....

I need to learn the actions of the banaba to make sure it doesn't work against the berberine. I wish I knew teh chinese name for it...
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Old Wed, Nov-05-08, 15:25
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"When did you stop the berberine?"
Didn't stop the berberine.Taking 400 mg three times a day.
Also taking two 300 mg gymnema pills a day.
Adding the banaba seemed to help a lot though I'm not sure that banaba is my benefactor here.My morning FBG is probably 15 points lower than normal.PP BG is quite a bit better also.
I'll continue with this regimen for awhile.The laughing diabetes
gods might possibly be playing with me.It wouldn't be the
first time.
Eddie
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Old Wed, Nov-05-08, 15:45
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I'm due to get mine soon. I don't think the Berberine has helped me either. I'm suspecting my issue isn't with insulin resistance.
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Old Thu, Nov-06-08, 06:31
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Berberine has helped me a lot.
Banaba is hopefully making my BG control even better.
Wow!The holiday season is almost here.
Time passes.
Eddie
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Old Thu, Nov-06-08, 08:19
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Nancy,
i made the same conclusion . The problem is not blood sugar ...it is a symptom...even insuline resistence is a symptom..

the more I think about it the more I go deeper into it.
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