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Old Wed, Feb-21-07, 16:25
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I'm having a hard time this week with my workouts. I was really on a high with them just a week or so ago, but now I'm finding them tough going.
Ok, Demi, even if we aren't "scale twins" I swear we're workout twins! LOL I'm seriously struggling this week too. I only managed my abs/core and resistance (heavy weights) today...no cardio. I'm SORE! My right shoulder is a little cranky and I'm just plain beat! Of course part of that was not getting proper sleep the last couple nights. But still. I hear ya!

All I can say is listen to your body and try to find alternate options as you go. It's funny how creative we can get. Sometimes situations like this are what give us the kick in the althletic pants to try something we haven't thought of or wanted to. LOL Hang in there, hon!
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Old Wed, Feb-21-07, 16:28
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I just found this thread!! I like it. I love to lift weights and I would look pretty silly w/o a little muscle on my body. I lift heavy every day, doing different body parts each day. I am just waiting for my lower body to look as good as my upper body. I don't want to get too skinny on top waiting for the fat to release on the bottom... any suggestions?

Thanks!

Norma


Hi Norma! I wanted to reply so you didn't get buried in our grousing today (seems we're all sore and tired). I don't know that there is any way to keep your body losing evenly, but with proper cardio I imagine you'll eventually lose the lower fat. (A lot depends on your shape.) You say you lift heavy already. I'm not sure what that means, but I'm guessing you do plenty to shape your upper body and are happy with it. I don't know how "skinny" you're getting. Are you doing push-ups as well as heavy lifting? Are you doing core exercises too? Just curious. I'd say it sounds like you're doing great...just keep doing it and in time your lower half will catch up!
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Old Wed, Feb-21-07, 17:51
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Hi ladies! I haven't fallen off the wagon - just been super busy at work! I'm staying with the weight training though - had a great workout Monday and I'm back with my trainer on Friday.

Demi - You might try to buy a new pair of running shoes. A lot of people start getting aches and pains when their shoes start to lose their cushion.
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Old Wed, Feb-21-07, 17:54
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Practicing controlled returns, with the muscles fully engaged, is like adding an extra set for the opposing muscles without changing machines or moves. (It's true: Less is more.)


This is from one of the articles that Demi posted on the previous page. This quote is what I've been trying to do with my trainer...control the movement in both directions. Interesting!!

It sure sucks to have bad knees...and a bad shoulder Demi!! I have both also and am working on building the muscles around my knee. We did a lot of leg work the other night and I'm still feeling it today.

Demi? Is anyone helping you to pick your exercises?
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Old Thu, Feb-22-07, 08:37
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The instructor was in the gym today, so I had a chat with her with regard to my 'injuries' etc.

Her take on it is that I've been overtraining, and my body is letting me know. She suggested that I go back to weight training twice a week for the time being, and obviously stop doing the push ups, and anything else that is going to aggravate my wrist or shoulder as they have done. She also suggested that I either find another way to do HIIT or just go back to power walking again.

She did comment that I had really been making great progress with my previous regime of WT and power walking, so she was surprised that had I decided to change it. To be honest, I didn't really have an answer to that, apart from the fact that I thought it would be good to do something different, shake it up a bit.

I did say that perhaps it was because I was getting old, but she wouldn't have that ... and to be honest, I know that she's right, and that part of the problem is because I will push myself and overdo it. This is what happened when I injured my shoulder previously ... it was giving me warning signals, but I chose to ignore them until it was too late.

Anyway, I'm taking today as a rest day, and I'm going to have a think about how I'm going to change my workouts so that not only I can make progress I want, but also keep my body 'happy' and injury-free.


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All I can say is listen to your body and try to find alternate options as you go. It's funny how creative we can get. Sometimes situations like this are what give us the kick in the althletic pants to try something we haven't thought of or wanted to. LOL Hang in there, hon!

Thanks Lisa ~ yes, I'm definitely going to listen to my body and try something else.


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Demi? Is anyone helping you to pick your exercises?

Yes and no ... while I haven't had a trainer with me in the gym telling me what to do, I have been following a particular programme from New Rules of Lifting. However, I can always speak to our gym instructor if I have any problems or want some help ... which is exactly what I did today.

When I first started out using weights, I followed the Body Sculpting Bible for Women, which IMO is excellent for teaching the correct technique and form. But I also had a couple of sessions with our gym instructor to make sure that I was doing everything correctly.


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Demi - You might try to buy a new pair of running shoes. A lot of people start getting aches and pains when their shoes start to lose their cushion.

Thanks, but I know that my shoes aren't the problem. I've had knee and shin problems for a while, which is why I originally decided to stop running and switch to power walking instead. To be honest, it's no big deal ... I actually prefer power walking anyway.



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Thanks again, Demi. I ordered this book and the Body Sculpting Bible for Women today!

You're welcome, and I think you'll find both books really helpful. I really love BSBW ... though I totally disagree with their nutritional plan which is high carb/low fat.



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Originally Posted by napa4us
I just found this thread!! I like it. I love to lift weights and I would look pretty silly w/o a little muscle on my body. I lift heavy every day, doing different body parts each day. I am just waiting for my lower body to look as good as my upper body. I don't want to get too skinny on top waiting for the fat to release on the bottom... any suggestions?

Hi Norma ~ welcome to the thread. I suggest you keep on doing what you are doing. If your diet is correct, then your bottom half should eventually catch up.
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Old Thu, Feb-22-07, 09:33
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part of the problem is because I will push myself and overdo it.
Demi, this is another thing we have in common! I feel like I'm having such a similar experience this week and between my own approach (having been injured so many times before and learning to listen to my body) and your experiences (you see, you're helping us all) I know what I need to do. I'm resting completely today, will probably do cardio tomorrow and will get back to the gym on Saturday to try again. I'm glad you've been talking with someone to figure out what to do. And I'm glad you're sharing this with us because it's a reminder to everybody.

For me personally I have to concentrate on sleep and meditative rest as well because I'm really hurting right now. I've had 3 late-late nights strung in a row by days of pushing myself. It stops today.

Take care and stay strong, ladies!
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Old Thu, Feb-22-07, 17:40
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Lisa--Thanks so much for your reply! I have weights at home and do exercises for my back, bis, tris, shoulders, chest, but am not doing push-ups... I do not like them... maybe I should do more and learn to like them. I workout my lower body every other day.. squats, lunges, one-leg squats, leg kick backs, ect. I do 3 sets of everything with 8-10 reps each.

I just think I am having a hard time losing the last few pounds and those pounds are on my hips and butt. I always get to this stage and give up because that weight does not seem to budge! This time I am not going to give up!!

Thanks again!!
Norma
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Old Fri, Feb-23-07, 08:04
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I've decided to take a few days off from the gym to rest and regroup. I will be dog walking over the weekend, but other than that, I'm not planning on anything too strenuous!

Hope everyone has a great weekend
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Old Fri, Feb-23-07, 09:00
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I've decided to take a few days off from the gym to rest and regroup. I will be dog walking over the weekend, but other than that, I'm not planning on anything too strenuous!

Hope everyone has a great weekend


Ditto!

Demi and I seem to have so much in common lately that I can just wait to see what she posts and quote her. LOL

Seriously, I'm resting today because I feel really "off", really tired and even my stomach isn't quite right. SO I'm resting because my body is telling me I need it. If I feel sufficiently better tomorrow I'll head to the gym to tackle my 3rd workout for the week. If I don't, I'll just deal with the fact that I had to keep it to 2, which happens to the best of us.

Here's to a great weekend with much recovery...and to starting fresh as always when next week arrives. Stay strong babes!
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Sorry that you're not feeling well Demi and Lisa!!

I think that its very wise to rest and heal!!

Take good care my friends!! Rest well!!
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Old Fri, Feb-23-07, 10:25
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Thanks, Judy! You keep doing well for us...sounds like you've been kicking butt!

BTW, I've been receiving an e-mail newsletter from eDiets for the longest time (before I found this forum) and sometimes the information is fairly good. Today's article reminded me of Norma's question about the lower half of her body and the same advice is indicated here as everywhere...lower cals, cardio and proper strength training. But I thought I'd post the link if anyone was interested...

http://www.ediets.com/news/article....388&cmi=1828012
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Old Fri, Feb-23-07, 11:01
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Just stopping by to post this snippet from Tom Venuto's e-newsletter that I've just received:


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Can You Really Lose More By Exercising Less?

This article on the latest "fitness revolution" in high intensity
interval cardio training is brought to you with the compliments
and permission of my friend and colleauge from the UK, Christian Finn
of the excellent Facts About Fitness website (www.FinnsFitnessFacts.com).

Christian's commentary was prompted by the recent news reports of
the Australian study (actually not published yet), which claimed
that 20 minutes of interval training using 8 second intervals was
superior to other forms of cardio and burns three times as much fat.

I was going to write about this myself, but I think Christian did a
brilliant job explaining the truth behind this claim and about HIIT
cardio in general and he was kind enough to let me republish his article

Train hard and expect success,

Tom Venuto

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Can You Really Lose More By Exercising Less?
By Christian Finn
www.FinnsFitnessFacts.com

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Just the other day, I came across a story about another "revolution
in weight loss," with scientists claiming to have devised a workout
that burns three times more fat than regular workouts lasting twice
as long.

According to the story, the researchers found their specific brand
of interval training triggers a metabolic response that allows more
fat to be burned under the skin and within the muscles.

Can you really lose weight three times faster with only half
the exercise?

Here, as Kent Brockman would put it, is my two cents.

First, let's take a closer look at what happened in the study.

Researchers at the University of New South Wales and the Garvan
Institute studied a group of overweight women, putting them through
a 20 minute cycling regime in which they sprinted on a stationary
bike for 8 seconds followed by 12 seconds of cycling lightly [1].
The women performed the workout three times a week for 15 weeks.

"They lost three times more weight than other women who exercised
at a continuous, regular pace for 40 minutes," says University of
New South Wales Associate and study co-author Professor Steve Boutcher.
The scientists believe the regime would also be applicable to swimming,
walking, running and rowing.

Other types of interval training using longer work and rest periods,
says Professor Boutcher, are not as effective for overweight people.
As far as I can tell, the work-rest ratio (8-second sprint, 12-second
recovery) is based on a previous study by the same researchers showing t
hat short work and rest ratios burn more calories than longer (24-second
sprint, 36-second recovery) intervals.

Boutcher thinks the current government recommendations for exercise
are largely ineffectual. "Walking for 60 minutes, seven times a week
does not result in much fat loss, usually 1.15 kilograms over 15 weeks,"
he says. "For a lot of overweight people this is going to be a revolution."

So, is this a revolution in weight loss?

Maybe. if you've had your head in the sand for the last 10 years.

Using interval training to lose fat is certainly not a revolutionary
idea. It forms the core of the cardiovascular workouts featured in
the Fight Fat and Win (FFW) programs. And there are plenty of other
people who have been writing about it - and using it - for a number
of years.

However, even though interval training is both a highly effective
and time-efficient way to train, saying that it'll help you lose
weight "three times faster" than regular cardio does (in my opinion,
anyway) paint a rather overly optimistic picture about what to expect.

I'll explain why in a moment.

Yes, I know that interval training is often said to be "nine times"
more effective than steady-state aerobic exercise. However, if you've
actually read the study on which this claim is based (Interval Training
and Fat Loss: The Untold Story), you'll know that neither group in the
study lost a significant amount of weight. The aerobic exercise group
lost one pound, while the interval-training group lost an average of
just 100 grams. And that was after 15-20 weeks of regular exercise.

With all the fuss about interval training and fat loss, you'd think
there are dozens of studies to show that it consistently leads to
greater fat loss than steady-state cardio. But there aren't.

It's true that interval training is a great way to increase calorie
expenditure in the hours after exercise. It's also been shown to boost
the activity of various fat-burning enzymes. However, most studies of
interval-style workouts have looked at changes in performance and
fitness, rather than weight loss.

Studies to track changes in body composition are few and far between,
which is one of the reasons this Australian study caught my eye.

However, when I looked at the research in detail (and the paper has
yet to reach the pages of a peer-reviewed journal, so I only had
access to a short summary of the study), the results weren't quite
as exciting as they first appeared.

At the end of the 15-week study, the interval-training group had lost,
on average, 2.5 kilograms (5.5 pounds) of fat. The steady-state group
actually gained 0.5 kilograms (1.1 pounds).

So, the actual amount of fat lost in the interval training group wasn't
all that great - 5.5 pounds over 15 weeks, which works out at just 0.37
pounds of fat loss per week. This figure doesn't really grab your attention
like "three times greater weight loss."

In fact, I can't actually figure out how the researchers arrived at a
figure of "three times greater weight loss," as the interval-training
group lost weight while the steady-state group gained it.

What about diet? How did that affect the results?

Although the women's calorie intake was monitored using a food diary,
self-reporting is a notoriously inaccurate way to estimate calorie
intake. Some studies show that people underestimate their calorie
intake by up to 50% [2]. In other words, someone who says they are
eating 1000 calories per day may really be eating 2000 calories.

So, changes in calorie intake might have been primarily responsible
for any weight loss. Or they might have had nothing to do with it.
We don't really know for sure.

And we still don't know how well interval training compares to more
intense steady-state cardio. This study used only moderate-intensity
cardio (60% VO2max). To trigger a substantial post-exercise calorie
burn, you need to work at around 75% of VO2max, or 85% of your maximum
heart rate. It's possible that steady-state cardio performed at or above
this threshold would produce very similar results to interval training.

With all that said, I still think that interval training is a great
way to lose fat. It's something I use myself and recommend to others.
In fact, the interval training used in this Australian study is very
similar to the level III workout in the Fight Fat And Win (FFW) program,
which involves a 25-minute workout sandwiched between 5 minutes of
warming up and 5 minutes of cooling down.

However, interval training alone is not a magic bullet, and I think
most people would be disappointed losing only 5.5 pounds of fat after
15 weeks of exercise. A program that combines resistance exercise, good
nutrition AND interval training is one that will deliver the best results.

C Finn, UK


References

1. Trapp, E.G. & Boutcher, S.H. Fat loss following 15 weeks of high
intensity, intermittent cycle ergometer training. University of New
South Wales, Sydney, Australia

2. Lichtman, S.W., Pisarska, K., Berman, E.R., Pestone, M., Dowling, H.,
Offenbacher, E., Weisel, H., Heshka, S., Matthews, D.E., & Heymsfield, S.B.
(1992). Discrepancy between self-reported and actual caloric intake and
exercise in obese subjects. New England Journal of Medicine, 327, 1893-1898

About The Author

Christian Finn holds a masters degree in exercise science, is a certified
personal trainer and a regular contributor to Men's Health, Men's Fitness
and other popular fitness magazines.


The revolution in weight loss story that they are talking about was actually posted here on the forum for those who are interested: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=321619
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Old Fri, Feb-23-07, 12:33
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Lisa-- thanks so much for the article from e-diets.. that fitness model they have on their is HOT!! Hee, hee. It is true, I do need to up my cardio (hate it!!). Right now I am having problems with my hip. My chiro said it is from having the treadmill on an incline everyday>> so no incline until I am better!!

I hope everyone else is feeling better! I think I am going to try more interval training to see if I can get past this darn plato.

Norma
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Demi, awesome article as always. I'm definitely interested in HIIT and have incorporated elements of it into my workout routine, but I've almost created a hybrid...some days standard and other days intervals. I'm thinking that may just work for me (so far it has!).

Norma, I'm glad you liked the article (and the hot model, hahaha). I had some hip issues after fixing my back and neck. I started using the elliptical the most as a result of it (chiro said that I was getting "off track" on the treadmill). I ended up using foam roller stretching/therapy on it and also stretch my hips a LOT when I work out and it's MUCH better. If I can give you any tips just PM me...unless anyone else here wants the tips too.

I'm still pretty tired today. I'm not sure if I'm up for heavy weights, but I might consider some abs and cardio.

Have a great weekend everyone!
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Old Sat, Feb-24-07, 18:41
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Lisa--Thanks so much for your reply. The chiro said it is my sciatic nerve. He massaged it yesterday, (a butt massage from a good looking guy... I am glad he couldn't see my face because it was bright red!!) he said I would be sore today and he was right!!

I do need to stretch a lot more than I do, but my time is so limitted with two kids and a big kid (DH)!!

Hope everyone has a great day!!

Norma
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