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Originally Posted by Merpig
Right now I'm thinking I want to be "in" on this too. I guess the one thing holding me back is that I *hate* to weigh, measure and track my food. I've done it, but it takes so much of the pleasure out of eating that it almost is enough to make me go off plan.
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Debbie, I do know what you mean, but just as we had to weigh and measure when we first began the LC WOE, we have to weigh and measure now, but just for now. I no longer need to weigh my egg yolks - I know that three of them weigh 1.5 ounces and are 6g protein. In just a month I've also developed an eagle eye for how much of a pork chop is really 3 ounces, and that's about half the size I thought it was when I began.
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I'm one of those who loses a bunch initially, and then hits a *brick wall* even though I still have tons more to lose. I have only lost one pound in the last month, which is damned slow for someone who is still almost 300 pounds, and is being strict about LC.
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Then I'll guess that OD will truly suit you. I don't know how much faster you'll lose scale weight, but I can tell you the stored body fat loss will be amazing.
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I love to make my own chocolate treats where I melt some 85% dark chocolate with a tbsp of coconut oil, a few tbsp of butter, a few tbsp of almond butter or sesame tahini. Pour into those paper cupcake liners and chill. A wonderful treat, and lots of fat there! I used to add a couple scoops of whey protein to these to make them "healthier" (e.g. more protein) but maybe I'll just have to stop that.
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Two notes: Yes, you will have to stop adding the whey - but more importantly - you'll need to let yourself eat the entire batch in one go or one day instead of over time. Your recipe is a great 'single' treat.
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It does seem like guys are able to eat more protein than women and still lose, like Richard Nicoley of the "Free the Animal" blog, who seems to eat huge slabs of meat all the time and is doing great on it. I don't think *I* can do that.
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Some day someone is going to come up with some reason why women's hormones matter as much in weight loss as carbs. Until then, I can only watch my tall skinny son eat an entire chicken or two pounds of sausage for dinner - and drool.
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But it also seems that details about the Optimal Diet are scarce. Lisa seems to have lots of great details. I want her for my Guru too! If the mods are willing to spin off an Optimal Diet thread she can be our guide.
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From your lips to the Mods ears.
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I'm still befuddled a bit. One poster (sorry, not sure who said what here) posted a ratio of protein/fats/carbs based on your goal weight in kg - ratios of 1kg/1.5-3.5kg/.5-.8kg . With my goal weight of 73 kg that would make my protein/fat/carb intake: 73g/109-255g/36.5-58.4g
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A common misperception (I made the same mistake myself) is that you get to 'choose' your goal weight. You don't. It's based on your 'due' weight - which is the slim weight those charts say you should weigh. It's interesting that my 'due' weight exactly matches Barry Groves' formula for protein: 1g for each kilo of your LEAN body mass, not what you actually weigh. My lean mass happens to be what the charts say I should weigh: 127 pounds. I don't necessarily want to weigh that, but I'm following the plan as if I do and will stop and go into maintenance as soon as I get to the 140 I'd like to weigh.
Furthermore, the OD treats fat and carb amounts (for the first month) differently for the 'obese' as he does for those who want to follow the plan for optimal health. Protein/fat ratios are closer to 1: 1.5. But if you give me your age, weight in kilos and height in centimeters, I'll plug the numbers in and get you the beginning stats.
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Though I have certain had protein days as low or lower than 73g, and I worried I was not getting enough as I was well below the values recommended by Protein Power, and I do *love* the Eades.
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Much as I respect the Eades, they simply have not tackled the issue of excess protein as a reason for some people's stall - and have insisted that as you approach goal weight you must lower calories. I believe this is not only wrong, it's 180 degrees wrong from the fact that if there is no biological reason to count calories on LC when you are 100 pounds overweight, there is still no biological reason to count calories on LC when you are 10 pounds overweight. Hopefully at some point, and despite having built their careers on protein, they will recognize and admit this.
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I'm still not sure if there are restrictions at all on *types* of fats, the types of carbs you eat, etc.
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The more fat is saturated, the better. The carbs aren't many, but Dr. K would argue to stay away as much as possible from fructose, and that starch/glucose carbs are actually (in the presence of enough fat and few proteins) good for us. See my other posts in this regard.
Lisa