A roll in the hay? I'll take one! Got any cute farmers available?

LOL Nancy!!!

Nancy,

As far as I'm concerned, the thread was 'killed' by you and a few others who, rather than *ever* responding to what I actually wrote when I began the thread, hijacked it rather than start their own. It would have been one thing for you to first respond to what I wrote and then add other comments - but you chose not to do that. Fine. Free Country. But it's equally free for me to refuse to be bullied by you or anyone else who feels they have a right to respond as they choose - but whose noses get put out of joint when someone else with whom you don't agree does so.



If only! <g>

Lisa

awriter - you have made some useful comments in this thread, but it is also important to figure out the 'culture' of new forums you come into, and probably important to somewhat go along with whatever that culture is. Raised eyebrows and strong exceptions are the more normal way of disagreeing on this site. I hope you stay, but you somewhat have to adapt to us, rather than us to you.

ps I think this a a good enough site, to learn to adapt to. Hope you do too.

Ok, lets try to limit the conversation to what you want.

Yes, I saw some of it too, but was mostly watching something else.

Golly, that's interesting.

I guess we'll have to wait and see!


Yes. It will be wonderful.

Well, looks like we've about exhausted that subject according to the parameters you've set.

Instant remission perhaps, but can you believe everything you hear on TV?? That 60 minutes piece was promoted by somebody, so it is more than likely biased information.

Also, trade the remission for what........? Gastric by-pass is proven to lower iron absorption, that is a side effect of the surgery. Patients who get the surgery have to sign a document saying they were told this before they can have the surgery. Poor iron absorption can lead to leukemia, among other health issues. I'll take my chances with the diabetes and no surgery, if I had to make such a choice and knowing what I know about it all.....

Oh, Pulllllease! This board is dominated by a few know-it-alls who bully people around all the time-if you're not a walking encyclopedia of lowcarb knowledge, don't even think about posting something that you haven't spent three weeks researching-there are exceptions to this, I've met a few great people on this board, but this is exactly why I stopped posting here-it became a giant yawn to watch the know-it-all veterans of this site stroke themselves with their intellectual discussion of the latest lowcarb theories. Get over it and get on with the diet! And let dissenters have a real voice without being subtly bashed (or not so subtly for that matter). Go AWriter! I think you're right on!**** Stepping back into lurkdome, going back to the "fun" board

ETA: Oh, and yes, I did call it a diet, using the word in the sense of what one eats on a daily basis. I know it's a way of life-but I'm sure someone's getting ready to correct me any minute now!

AWriter, I jacked the thread, sorry, just couldn't stand back and watch it...Take care! And PS-I'm type II, and if it could cure me, I'd give it serious consideration! There are "serious" complications associated with ALL surgeries-I had a cardiac arrest w/DIC and coded on the table during my c-section from a very rare, unpredictable complication. Does that mean that people should not have c-sections?! Please!

I'm hardly a 'veteran' and I rarely state anything as a definitive fact unless it relates directly to my own experience. ("Doing X had Y effect on me personally".) It was just jarring trying to read an otherwise interesting thread when every second post was "No, don't discuss that, discuss this."

I can understand if you're frustrated with the board culture for other reasons, but it wasn't just the 'vets' annoyed by this.

The thing I find amazing about the 60 minutes piece is that this is being reported like it is something new and just discovered. It isn't.

To make a long story short, my parents offered to pay for GBP for me in 1992 or 1993. I did a great deal of research, did talk to a surgeon as well as several people who'd had it, and decided to pass. The particular surgeon I talked to was a family friend who did the occasional GBP. The most compelling thing he said was that every Type II diabetic he'd done the surgery on immediately had normal blood glucose levels. This has been reported in the literature on GBP for at least a decade -- I've read journal articles reporting it. But, I never saw any journal article that was written specifically about the reversal of Type II, that was simply one of the points of data covered as a surgical outcome. Additionally, and this is important, *not all patients saw their blood glucose levels return to normal* even when having the same surgery performed by the same surgeon. My (now weak) recollection is that about 20% of people didn't see reversal of Type II, and these people were classed as "severely Type II" because of consistent, exceptionally high blood sugar levels that didn't seem to respond to drugs or diet. (I doubt they were eating a low carb diet!)

Here is a report on duodenal jejunal bypass, which is both reversible and does not cause weight loss. And here is a study that is being conducted and recruiting volunteers.