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Vitamin B12 is lacking in most plant-based diets and can cause serious symptoms if it isn’t dealt with.

Have you recently switched to a plant-based diet? If not, somebody you know probably has: the number of vegetarians and vegans is rapidly increasing, with an estimated 7 per cent of people in the UK and 5 per cent in the US now going meat-free. But for this ever-growing group, there is a double-edged sword to grapple with – a diet that is kind to the planet, but equally one that is less kind to your immune system.

No, it’s not an issue of protein, but vitamin B12 – 1 in 5 vegan and vegetarian diets are naturally lacking in the micronutrient. Deficiency rates only increase with age and it is even higher for those who have transitioned from a vegetarian to vegan diet where rates of vitamin B12 are already low.

And that's a big problem. Also known as cobalamin, B12 is a key vitamin in blood cell formation, cell metabolism, nerve function and the production of DNA. It is needed by every cell in your body in other words. An unsung hero, life without the micronutrient can have dire and lifelong, irreversible neurological effects.

While supplements and certain foods can help fix the problem, an unregulated market and lack of clear research make the situation somewhat cloudy. So what's the best solution? Here's what the science says...

The high risks of vitamin B12 deficiency

The problem is that Vitamin B12 specifically is only found in animal-based products. That includes fish, meat, poultry, eggs, milk and other dairy products. Beef and fish in particular have high numbers of B12, as does lamb liver (which contains over 3,000 per cent of your RDA).

Animals often get it from eating bacteria-laden manure and unsanitary water sources, synthesising them and then absorbing B12. Humans can't absorb B12 from bacteria (and we don't recommend you try).

But even if you are eating meat, it can be easy to not get enough. For instance, the vitamin can only be found in low numbers in chicken breasts and most pork – you'd need to eat 24 slices of bacon a day to reach the 2.4mcg (0.0000024 grams) of vitamin B12 recommended a day. And while B12 is found in dairy products, it is much less concentrated, only offering trace amounts of the vitamin.

There is some evidence that certain mushrooms, algae and similar food sources can contain vitamin B12. However, researchers point out that it is simply not reliable enough as a single source. Of the plant-based foods that could be used for vitamin B12, nori (seaweed) is the most suitable.

https://c02.purpledshub.com/uploads...g?webp=1&w=1200 A graph depcting the relationship between vitamin B12 and different types of diets.

The more ethical a diet, the higher the risk of vitamin B12 deficiency. - Credit: University of Surrey

In short, if you're not eating meat (or the right kind of meat), it can be easy to miss your daily B12 target. And a body lacking in this key vitamin is at risk of folate-deficiency anaemia. This is a condition caused specifically by vitamin B12 deficiency in which the body does not have enough healthy red blood cells and can’t properly provide oxygen to body tissues.

Research varies on the rates of people suffering from B12 deficiency – scientists can’t agree on what truly counts as a deficiency. Because of this, the prevalence in vegans ranges from 5 to 52 per cent, while vegetarians sit between 6 and 14 per cent.

Symptoms include rapid breathing and shortness of breath, headaches, indigestion, loss of appetite, vision problems, diarrhoea, incontinence, mild depression and anxiety, and memory problems.

But that's not the most worrying part. “When you develop this clinical deficiency, the system which allows the body to absorb B12 and internalise it is effectively knocked out,” says Dr Kourosh Ahmadi, a reader in precision nutrition and expert on vitamin B12 from the University of Surrey.

“When that happens, an individual won’t benefit from supplements or food because they lack the mechanism to internalise the vitamin. The only solution is to inject vast amounts of vitamin B12 straight into the muscles.”

Depending on how long it has taken to get a diagnosis and begin therapy, some of these symptoms, particularly the neurological ones, can’t be reversed. At this stage, no number of injections can adequately respond to it.

“There is an 8-12 week window after symptoms appear of giving every other day injections to get someone’s physiological symptoms back to a functioning level. Once you pass that, there is good evidence to suggest that symptoms similar to long COVID will become entrenched with no cure,” says Ahmadi.

There are even greater concerns for someone going through pregnancy. Lack of vitamin B12 can increase the risk of a baby developing a birth defect known as a neural tube defect. This is when the neural tube (a small channel that eventually becomes the brain and spinal cord) doesn't close, leaving it vulnerable to damage from amniotic fluid.

Currently, there are no UK guidelines regarding the treatment of Vitamin B12 deficiency during pregnancy and no specific dosing recommendations as of yet. However, pregnant women are told to try and get roughly the same amount of Vitamin B12 as required for all adults.


How can plant-based diets get vitamin B12?


So if there is a crucial vitamin that is only found in animals, what should vegetarians and vegans do? Start eating meat again?

“Unfortunately, there is little to no research in this area right now, but the current advice for vegan diets is that you should be taking daily vitamin B12 supplements. The important part here is to find the right type,” says Ahmadi.

“Ninety per cent of Vitamin B12 is produced in China, which has made it very expensive to manufacture since COVID. The problem is that it is only expensive if it is produced correctly. There are loads of Vitamin B12 supplements on the market, ranging from the incredibly cheap up to the vegan-friendly options which are usually pretty expensive.”

To make vegan-friendly supplements, the bacteria animals eat are cultivated in large tanks to mimic their natural environment. Once the bacteria creates vitamin B12, it is separated from the culture and purified.

So how do you find good supplements? The current advice is to look for GMP (Good Manufacturing Practice) labels – a standard backed by the United Nations. These are likely to be slightly more expensive but they have been guaranteed in their effectiveness.

Along with regular use of effective Vitamin B12 tablets, anyone on a plant-based diet is also recommended to utilise fortified foods. These are products where manufacturers have added additional micronutrients into their products during production. This includes a variety of alternative milks, yoghurts, drinks and even cereals. However, while these will contain Vitamin B12, it is likely only in trace amounts.

“Research has shown that a lot of these foods in the supermarket are not adequately fortified; they might even have sub-standard B12 in them. Some of these products can be really expensive and often not as healthy as they are marketed to be,” says Ahmadi.

For plant-based diets, vitamin B12 consumption comes down to these two factors. GMP-approved supplements, and properly fortified foods. For vegetarians, milk, eggs and other dairy products are also contributing small amounts of B12 to their diets.

While the risks of deficiency are scary, it is highly avoidable, even for those who begin to show symptoms.

“If it is caught in that window (8-12 weeks from symptoms starting) and an individual is diagnosed and managed, they will most often return to a level that is functioning as they were before,” says Ahmadi.


https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/vitamin-b12
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“Ninety per cent of Vitamin B12 is produced in China, which has made it very expensive to manufacture since COVID. The problem is that it is only expensive if it is produced correctly. There are loads of Vitamin B12 supplements on the market, ranging from the incredibly cheap up to the vegan-friendly options which are usually pretty expensive.”

To make vegan-friendly supplements, the bacteria animals eat are cultivated in large tanks to mimic their natural environment. Once the bacteria creates vitamin B12, it is separated from the culture and purified.


I've been trying to figure out the source of this bacteria that they're culturing to create the vegan B-12 supplements.

Best I can determine from what little information I've found is that the bacteria they're using comes from dirt... or excrement.

Although it also seems that if you eat root veggies directly from the ground (with the dirt still on them), or eat your green veggies unwashed and covered in aphids and mites, they're making it sound like you can get sufficient B-12 from that.

But that also involves eating animals (insects), or eating the bacteria in dirt left from animal excrement (even if it's just worm excrement), which means no matter how you get vegan friendly B-12 supplement, animals are still involved in the process. Even the most expensive vegan-friendly B-12 supplement is ultimately coming from an animal source.
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They don't get enough. They go blind and get a shot at the doctor and don't change their ways. They just show up and get their shot.

And eventually, even the shot stops working because they are so deficient in all the B vitamins.

And these aren't the vegan influencers who spend hours making mock sushi. They just eat vegan junk.
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They don't get enough. They go blind and get a shot at the doctor and don't change their ways. They just show up and get their shot.

And eventually, even the shot stops working because they are so deficient in all the B vitamins.

And these aren't the vegan influencers who spend hours making mock sushi. They just eat vegan junk.

Apparently B-12 deficiency and blindness is a sacrifice they're willing to make to avoid any animal having even one bad day.

I admire their commitment... but if they had any concept of how many insects, rodents, and pests (which are also animals) are killed just in the process of planting and harvesting plant based proteins (and that organic pesticides also kill insects), they might realize just how foolish their commitment to plant based protein really is.

Or maybe not - maybe they'd still believe it's worth it to sacrifice their health to save one or two cattle over their lifetime.

For example, a 1400 lb steer will produce approximately 840 lbs of meat, which is enough to provide 4 oz of meat weekly to one person for just under 70 years. Now they'd have better health eating more meat than that, but even if they eat 4 oz of meat every single day of their lives, that's still only the equivalent of 7 steers over the course of an average lifetime.

And that's before you go into the fact that so many animal based foods do not harm animals in any way (milk, cheese, yogurt, eggs), so that they could eat far more animal proteins without harming animals.

Instead, they'd rather kill off millions of insects, rodents, and pests each year to satisfy their preference for plant based protein.
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Apparently B-12 deficiency and blindness is a sacrifice they're willing to make to avoid any animal having even one bad day.


Goes even further. I like Dr. Anthony Chaffee, who has so much experience on carnivore, and a recent video described the cancer test he was involved in. People who had tried every chemotherapy drug were then ALLOWED to eat nothing but meat. (Pause for irony of preferring expensive toxins to actual food...)

And everyone improved. Their growths were shrinking. But one man, who had been vegan, "missed it too much." He went back to his vegan friends and vegan food and died.

That's how far they will go. Because it's not based on facts, but feelings. They can operate on a level of cognitive dissonance that lets them do something so self destructive.

They have so twisted their own good impulses that it makes them into destructive people.
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Goes even further. I like Dr. Anthony Chaffee, who has so much experience on carnivore, and a recent video described the cancer test he was involved in. People who had tried every chemotherapy drug were then ALLOWED to eat nothing but meat. (Pause for irony of preferring expensive toxins to actual food...)

And everyone improved. Their growths were shrinking. But one man, who had been vegan, "missed it too much." He went back to his vegan friends and vegan food and died.

~snip~


The two women I knew who died from cancer both switched from an omnivore diet to a meat free diet. They may or may not have been too far gone for anything to save them by the time their cancers were discovered, but -

The one went to an all raw food diet, the other was convinced that a raw juiced diet was necessary.

They both concentrated on organics - but that won't make any difference if you're continually feeding the cancer sugars.
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I am sorry for them and everyone who cared about them. Such hopes are outright cons.

Which is why corporations just make stuff addicting and put it out there for people to eat if they want.

Like that company who addicted everyone to opiods and corrupted science and doctors with false research and then got off with a fine that was a fraction of what they made from the scam.

It was all the fault of the people who got addicted, we're told. No it's not, not when people were lied to. Too much crime disguised as "business."
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