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Old Sun, Jan-17-10, 11:47
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Kwasniewski argues children in Poland get too many carbs and develop too quickly, whereas children in Switzerland eat fewer carbs and grow more slowly, which he thinks is better. At least that is my interpretation of what he is writing.


Is that consistent across a lot more than two (or even seven ) countries? Otherwise, sounds like the same problem as the Seven Countries study.
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Old Sun, Jan-17-10, 13:39
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And if you haven't already watched the documentary "My Big Fat Diet" you really need to. Highlights a study done in Canadian Pacific Northwest which put obese/diabetic First Nations people on there native diet of salmon and fish grease. You can watch the intro here.

The DVD is available HERE.

Oh yeah...and here's the blog of the doctor that did the study.

Interesting quote from his most recent blog post...

"I am intrigued by recent literature that suggests that it is the fructose component of carbs that may have the most damaging effect when it comes to metabolic syndrome. I am hoping to compare a low-carb approach, which we know works, with a fructose-free diet, to see what are the relative benefits."

I can't wait to see results of that study, since many feel that it's fructose, rather than carbs in general causing metabolic syndrome.


Native Americans seem to do very poorly on the SAD. They do much better on meat/low carb, many sites on the net demonstrate this.
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Is that consistent across a lot more than two (or even seven ) countries? Otherwise, sounds like the same problem as the Seven Countries study.


I am not saying it is conclusive at all, just one point of reference. People who have studied metabolism the most, say we need some carbs, so it is logical children need some for growth. Probably there is some optimal nutrition for a child, so there would be some ideal level of protein, fat, carbs, whatever the numbers turn out to be.
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People who have studied metabolism the most, say we need some carbs, so it is logical children need some for growth.
Is it not possible that the "need" for carbs has its basis in the fact that a few cells do not have mitochondria and thus cannot "burn" ketones/fat, most notably the red blood cells? Also is it not possible that this view comes from the reluctance to eat sufficient saturated fat to provide the lost energy because of the reduction on carbohydrate consumption?
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If you're like me you'll have highish FBG but a very good A1c. I think that might be typical for some of us low carbers. Also, try to get your doctor to take fasting insulin test at the same time as your next cholesterol (requires fasting). When your insulin is very low, your muscles become very insulin resistant and your blood glucose goes up. After eating, you'll normalize.

Although... hmmm... I wonder if being in that condition but since you only eat during a small window a day you're in that state longer. It might make the A1c test higher, since it's an average of your BG over 3 months.


Well, we shall see. I will keep everything that you said in mind. My FBG, has come down since I have increased my vitamin D3 dosage but that will be only temporary. My plans are to take the higher dosage of vitamin D3 until my glucose stabilizes.
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Is it not possible that the "need" for carbs has its basis in the fact that a few cells do not have mitochondria and thus cannot "burn" ketones/fat, most notably the red blood cells? Also is it not possible that this view comes from the reluctance to eat sufficient saturated fat to provide the lost energy because of the reduction on carbohydrate consumption?


Certainly possible on both points.
Broda Barnes was the thryoid specialist who recommended a high fat, low carb diet. He still recommended 50 g per day carbs minimum to keep the thryoid healthy, even with the high fat diet.
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More food for thought regarding Native American's diet

Guts and grease, the diet of Native Americans


I read this soon after beginning Atkins and it convinced me that I was indeed consuming the right diet. Also, I didn't think twice when I decided to reduce my carb intake to below induction level.
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He still recommended 50 g per day carbs minimum to keep the thryoid healthy, even with the high fat diet.
Curious, what reason would there be for carbohydrates to be necessary for thyroid health? I am not aware of there being any cells in the thyroid that do NOT have mitochondria. The reason we need blood glucose is to feed the red blood cells which do not have mitochondria.
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Curious, what reason would there be for carbohydrates to be necessary for thyroid health? I am not aware of there being any cells in the thyroid that do NOT have mitochondria. The reason we need blood glucose is to feed the red blood cells which do not have mitochondria.

Carbs are not necessary...glucose is necessary and is spewed out by the liver as the body needs it when carbs are absent. So with a diet that is protein efficient minus carbohydrates, we will still produce needed glucose for whoever needs it.
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that Guts and Grease article makes us all look pretty whimpy.
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Curious, what reason would there be for carbohydrates to be necessary for thyroid health? I am not aware of there being any cells in the thyroid that do NOT have mitochondria. The reason we need blood glucose is to feed the red blood cells which do not have mitochondria.


Broda Barnes wrote a book, you can search his name at Amazon and read the reviews. Also his work has appeared as reference on this forum, often in the thyroid subject. If you can't find the answer, I will look into this tonight, I have to run to get to work now. Mark Starr wrote a follow on book.

I believe it has more to do with thyroid output, rather than thyroid 'health'. Just as very few carbs puts one into ketosis. But I have not read his book, just what others have written regarding his work.
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