I can be in deep ketosis for weeks without losing an ounce, so I know it's no guarantee of weight loss. That is why, previously, I stopped the WOE in total frustration.

But now I'm trying IF to see if that will work, and then ketosis comes in handy because of the lack of hunger and cravings. Plus all the other numerous health benefits independent of weight loss makes ketosis an incredible "state" to be in.

If I had to include my "on-board" fat as part of my macros, I wouldn't have anything left to eat: very low carbs and moderate protein in order to keep insulin low -- without fat, what the heck is left to eat?

It's all so very confusing.