Agendas abound in this "discussion" that are driving recommendations that are not fully scientifically based whether it's dietary or climate. The argument will never be settled on either front until a coercive event occurs. In the dietary category, the ongoing epidemics should be a coercive event, but they're explained away by those with a different agenda. We may have a majority of "scientists" on either side who think it's no more than a voting matter. Very naive and harmful. If we think that the pure scientific method is still alive, embraced, and in practice, we are also very naive.