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esw Mon, Nov-30-15 15:06

Batten The Hatches
 
Okay this month we need to really be on guard!! We know that there will be lots of temptations.
My plan is to have plenty of the foods I can eat in stock. We can make really tasty filling meals with the foods that work for us. Snacks will be a big temptation, well for me anyway. Again plan ahead and have something beforehand.
Personally I still find it difficult to say no thank you when someone has made something special. So I'm thinking, by not allowing myself to get too hungry, I will save drawing attention to myself by just having a little bit. Wish we weren't put in this position and I know it's my problem not theirs. :help:

So come on let's do this. Let's keep coming on here keep posting and supporting.
Imagine how proud we will be of ourselves come the start of January!! :cheer: :cheer:
Then imagine how we will feel after all our hard work and learning new habits if we go overboard and think we owe it to ourselves to really enjoy all the treats. Who are we kidding they are not treats they are mostly addictive poison. Come beginning of January how will we feel having indulged? :cry: :cry: :cry:
I know what I'm choosing! :)
Who's up for joining me in regular posting this month?? :)

bluesinger Mon, Nov-30-15 16:56

I promise to do my best
 
I'll do my best to follow you down the "do good" road. Why? Because I really, really don't want my fingers to start hurting again. I really, really don't want to gain back the little bit I've lost + the many pounds more I know would follow.

I pledge to do my best to post encouragement here on the thread and not to point fingers at those who fail.

teaser Tue, Dec-01-15 06:47

My Christmas will involve two vegans, one coeliac, several gluten intolerant. Go ahead, single me out for not trying a particular food.:lol: Kind of makes it easier.

Just Jo Tue, Dec-01-15 07:10

:wave: Hiya esw! Here's my 2 cents worth:

Remember, DON'T let the holidays be the “reason for the season” of senselessly eating OFF PLAN! Stay 100% OP because WE are so WORTH IT! :cheer:

We'll be ahead of the game when all the other people start the New Year with all those well intended New Years Resolutions! :agree:

esw Tue, Dec-01-15 13:12

Jump on board, we can do this.
Glad your with me Bluesinger, it will be good for us to keep checking in.
Teaser, you are much braver than me, I am rubbish when it comes to standing alone :lol:
Thanks for the two cents worth Jo, they are worth much more than that :sunny: You always have something wise and supportive to contribute.

So day one almost done. On plan but hungrier than normal in afternoon. May have had too many vegetables in soup and salad at lunch. Possibly they were too quickly absorbed. Haven't quite been able to lose the (fill up on fruit and vegetables mentality) :help: I'm getting better but it still needs working on Well actually I now eat very little fruit but haven't quite accepted that vegetables might put my blood sugar up (and down) :bash:

MickiSue Tue, Dec-01-15 13:47

Funny you should start this thread. I bought a big bag of Kirkland bacon bits from Amazon, and have been making sure that there's always a full dozen eggs, and a quart of heavy cream in the frig. :lol:

I like my breakfast, and who can feel deprived if breakfast was scrambled eggs with heavy cream and bacon? Not to mention the fact that lunch is a distant memory, when I'm only able to eat a little bit of nuts or cheese between breakfast and dinner, with such a hearty breakfast.

Find something about the "treats" that you can't have. I get puffy and dopey from grains. So I just point out the puffy, and people stop trying to convince me to eat them.

Lucky for me, I'm a stubborn, opinionated Irishwoman, so being pushed to do something usually results in the opposite effect, anyway. :agree:

esw Wed, Dec-02-15 00:47

MickiSue you don't know just how apt your comment is!! Actually I keep forgetting that I used to get runny puffy eyes and runny nose when I ate processed crap. Could never pinpoint what it was but it NEVER happens now! However even more so, sweet things will definitely upset my blood sugar and although fortunately I am not diabetic I very easily could be. So a quick "it makes my blood sugar unstable" might give me a bit of peace.
The thing I find (me being over sensitive again) :lol: some women actually don't like me saying no thank you or not loading my plate with crap. I'm not imaging it, I get comments like "you make me feel bad" or "no wonder I'm fat". They pretend they are joking but I'm not so sure there isn't a wee dig in there. I know on those occasions it's their problem but again I am made to feel uncomfortable for eating the way I want. I mean it's not as if I comment on what they are eating!! Anyway rant over but actually it was quite cathartic. :)
Xmas shopping today so I have my little emergency container of macadami nuts in my handbag.

MickiSue Wed, Dec-02-15 08:19

Wow. You are eating with the wrong people, if they feel that it's reasonable to comment on your food choices.

I think Miss Manners would say, "I'm sorry you feel that way," which covers a lot of ground, and says, but doesn't say, that if MY food choices lead YOU to feel uncomfortable, you may want to rethink your food choices. :agree:

teaser Wed, Dec-02-15 08:29

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Teaser, you are much braver than me, I am rubbish when it comes to standing alone


More like hopeful. :lol: I've caved on too many holiday occasions to be called brave. Most times, I can do fine when others are eating carbs, something like Christmas--that does come just once the year--makes it a bit harder. My main reason for wanting to be good isn't health or weight though, I easily go back to keto after Holidays--it's just that I'll actually enjoy the day more if I'm good--no coma, and high fat, low carb actually tastes better to me.

I find even when I'm not actually tempted by high carb food, I'll still be sort of hyperaware of it sometimes if other people are at the same table eating it. So I can either glance at it a bit too often, or pointedly not look at it--insecure people can and have misjudged this as me judging what they are eating. Like a reformed alcoholic sitting at a table of non-alcoholics sipping wine--he might not care a whit about the other's behaviours, just being around the stuff makes him nervous, and others might misinterpret this.

esw Thu, Dec-03-15 06:52

[QUOTE=teaser] Like a reformed alcoholic sitting at a table of non-alcoholics sipping wine--QUOTE]

Sounds familiar!! ;)
Xmas shopping was quite a pain. Feet were killing me by the end of it. Shops weren't too busy though and queues were acceptable.

Nice xmas biccies at work but to be honest I'm not even interested. They used to have such a hold on me. :angel:
Better not get too full of myself as it wouldn't take much!! A slippery slope indeed.
Got to keep reading and keep posting.

ReneeH20 Thu, Dec-03-15 09:39

Hey, ESW! I get you. I've got 11 months under my belt in this WOE, but frankly, the holidays have got me a bit nervous. As a mostly introverted person and somewhat socially awkward, I hate calling attention to myself. Being sensitive myself (which I don't consider a bad thing) comments like you have been getting would make me feel uncomfortable, too. I wish I could just be cavalier about it, but honestly, it's taken a bit of practice to not internalize things like that.

I asked on another thread about how people handle food pushers during the holidays. Didn't get many answers. Not real comfortable with being blunt and would rather be gracious. I think I am going to say things like "Looks delicious, but I am really full right now. I'll have some later." Later never comes. ;) Or "You know I've developed an allergy to wheat. It tastes really good, but really hurts my stomach later."

My other strategy for the holidays is to make sure that I have some treats that are legal. Don't want to feel deprived.

bluesinger Thu, Dec-03-15 09:51

When there are bad things happening in the world
 
When there are really bad things happening in the world, I think about eating off Plan. Isn't that weird? I guess it's reactive depression talking in my head.

Anybody else have that? Maybe that's another reason for overeating during the Holidays, either too much of a good thing or too much of a bad thing (family get-togethers) causing reactive depression.

Nicekitty Thu, Dec-03-15 12:39

I'm also really nervous about this time of year, many things seem to be conspiring to throw me off plan.
--a bit of seasonal affective disorder, general low-energy feeling (though not near as bad as it used to be). Could be some of what you are dealing with Glenda.
--stuck in the house a lot due to bad weather, can't work as much.
--clients, friends, family plying me with "treats"--I really can't say "I don't eat sugar" when someone has made up a specially wrapped box or plate of home-made cookies and chocolates just for me.
--my husband has started bringing home Costco stuff--applets and cotlets, candied nuts, etc...and I have eaten a few now and then. :(
--I'd like to lose one more pound, but not highly motivated.

Seems like I need a challenge of just "being on plan" through the holidays, some kind of goal to focus on (but not beating myself up when I slip).

bluesinger Thu, Dec-03-15 12:47

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Originally Posted by Nicekitty
I'm also really nervous about this time of year, many things seem to be conspiring to throw me off plan.
--a bit of seasonal affective disorder, general low-energy feeling (though not near as bad as it used to be). Could be some of what you are dealing with Glenda.
--stuck in the house a lot due to bad weather, can't work as much.
--clients, friends, family plying me with "treats"--I really can't say "I don't eat sugar" when someone has made up a specially wrapped box or plate of home-made cookies and chocolates just for me.
--my husband has started bringing home Costco stuff--applets and cotlets, candied nuts, etc...and I have eaten a few now and then. :(
--I'd like to lose one more pound, but not highly motivated.

Seems like I need a challenge of just "being on plan" through the holidays, some kind of goal to focus on (but not beating myself up when I slip).
I'll tell you what I'm telling myself JustJo would say, "The daily challenge is just being on plan." After all, we came to this thread because we recognize our weakness. Mine is mostly in my head, so I just have to overcome myself. Yours seems to be saying no to others, which says that you're a good person, but it won't help you feel that you've met the challenge. I guess it's just up to us to decide. For me, it's "Will I stay on plan or am I tacitly giving myself permission to eat carbage?" I'm on this forum, on this particular thread to overcome myself, whether I feel depressed or not.

MickiSue Thu, Dec-03-15 13:08

Ah, the fights with our carb addicted selves are epic, aren't they?

I had to be really honest with myself, and realize that it WASN'T being nice to say yes to junk, it was giving myself an out to eat something I wanted to eat, anyway. WOW, that hurt!

It was only then that I realized that it really isn't about other people's ideas of me, it's about MY idea of me. Am I a person who keeps my commitments to my own health, or do I look for excuses to go off plan? Again, OW OW OW!!

JustJo talks about fat Jo a lot, and how she fights to keep her at bay. I had to realize that the Micki who gave herself permission to eat bags full of dried fruit last winter was NOT the Micki I wanted to be, and she cared more about feeding the carb addiction than about her own health. So I had to make her a third party to this endeavor, too, following Jo's thought process. After all, we may love an addict. we may think an addict is good at heart, if it weren't for their addiction. But, deep down, we can never trust an addict, because, until they acknowledge that the addiction means more to them than ANYTHING or ANYONE, including themself, they can't turn away from the addiction.

For me, fast approaching my 65th birthday, that realization came a little late in the game! But at least it came.

esw Thu, Dec-03-15 14:23

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Originally Posted by MickiSue
Ah, the fights with our carb addicted selves are epic, aren't they?

I had to be really honest with myself, and realize that it WASN'T being nice to say yes to junk, it was giving myself an out to eat something I wanted to eat, anyway. WOW, that hurt!



Glad to see the thread getting busy.


OOOOOh I think I get that MickiSue! It's much easier to blame others than take responsibility ourselves. Food for thought ;) I am going to dig a bit deeper into my own behaviours in those situations now!!


Agree about fear building up as the holiday celebrations loom nearer. We know our resolve will be challenged by all the temptations. I like routine in life particularly in my eating. Having found a pattern of eating that suits, I don't relish a different timetable and different foods. Whilst alcohol has no attraction to me I will be expected to drink something. The sweet juices like apple or grape are not appealing and I don't like fizzy cans of drink either. If possible will have sparkling water :yum: or soda water and lime. Really the whole thing is worrying. Personally I am actually a bit frightened that I might lose control. That a smell or sight of a particular food might just tip me over the edge and I won't be able to stop. That reminds me of the saying "If you believe you can or you believe you can't.............. So i had better instil some confidence in my ability to handle this. Think I need some of Jo's inspirational advice. :help:
Dark long cold nights certainly don't help. And yes having strategies in place can only be a good thing.

bluesinger Thu, Dec-03-15 15:14

Jo IS an inspiration. I read her journal when I need a boost.

I have another idea for you to boost your own belief that you won't crumble in the face of temptation:
Have you ever worn something that made you feel beautiful? I hope so. Because you can psyche yourself into not caring what anybody thinks.

Last August I attended the 70th birthday party for my graduating high school class, most of whom I hadn't seen since the commencement night 1963. The party was divided into a Friday afternoon meet-and-greet, very informal, and a Saturday night dinner. I had recently had success with Dr. Fung's protocol and I felt very svelte. Friday I wore my low-rider jeans and a fitted top and I felt BULLETPROOF GORGEOUS! Realistically, I was not. I'm still 70 years old, but I felt beautiful. Nothing could have ruined that night for me. The only stuff I ate off the buffet was cheese, and only a little bit of that because I didn't care what food there was. Eating was unimportant. When they cut the cake, I just ignored it. I had a ball!

One of the women asked me why I hadn't attended the Ladies Luncheon that day and I told her, "I'm fasting." She just looked blank, and that was that. You'd be surprised what you can get away with. Your health is really more important than their opinions.

Meme#1 Thu, Dec-03-15 18:02

I always think it's just as important what you do eat as what you don't eat.

esw Fri, Dec-04-15 06:13

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesinger
Jo IS an inspiration. I read her journal when I need a boost.

I have another idea for you to boost your own belief that you won't crumble in the face of temptation:
Have you ever worn something that made you feel beautiful? I hope so. Because you can psyche yourself into not caring what anybody thinks.

Last August I attended the 70th birthday party for my graduating high school class, most of whom I hadn't seen since the commencement night 1963. The party was divided into a Friday afternoon meet-and-greet, very informal, and a Saturday night dinner. I had recently had success with Dr. Fung's protocol and I felt very svelte. Friday I wore my low-rider jeans and a fitted top and I felt BULLETPROOF GORGEOUS! Realistically, I was not. I'm still 70 years old, but I felt beautiful. Nothing could have ruined that night for me. The only stuff I ate off the buffet was cheese, and only a little bit of that because I didn't care what food there was. Eating was unimportant.


That is such a fantastic outcome. I can see you would look gorgeous and yes the power that feeling gives, rules out any power food could have. :agree: Love that. Actually you remind me of Judi Dench considerably older and very beautiful. I do look better and more shapely, have a couple of outfits that may just give me a bit of that feeling. :wiggle: :wiggle: Just have to be brave enough to wear them!! ;)

bluesinger Fri, Dec-04-15 07:20

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Originally Posted by esw
I do look better and more shapely, have a couple of outfits that may just give me a bit of that feeling. :wiggle: :wiggle: Just have to be brave enough to wear them!! ;)
Like so many things in life, it's all between the ears. I can drag myself down, just as easily as pumping myself up. My DH is a great person, but he is not demonstrative. I have to ask him every once in a while if he still likes me, just to make sure. :) At my age, I get no feedback about how others perceive me so I have to manufacture my bravery all by myself. I guess I've got practice. But family can get to us quicker than anything else. The choice for me was to grow a thicker skin. Some people choose not to do that and I understand why, but it was necessary for me to take away their power over me.

I've been known to say out loud, "What you think of me is none of my business." To which I usually only get blank looks because they can't figure out what that means.:lol:
Do all that you can to convince yourself of your right to control what goes into your mouth. They can't take away your thoughts and dreams. Those belong to you.

esw Mon, Dec-07-15 12:04

Xmas cards written today :yay:. Not something I relish so glad it's done. Hardly write any these days but still send to immediate family and elderly relatives.

Family are planning to visit at xmas. They know how I eat and accept it quite happily. I make them the things they are used to and enjoy. What I eat is delicious so I will be quite happy.
It's always more of a problem when we eat at others houses. I will be following all the tips from this thread to make it work. :D

Nicekitty Tue, Dec-08-15 12:32

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Originally Posted by esw
Family are planning to visit at xmas. They know how I eat and accept it quite happily. I make them the things they are used to and enjoy. What I eat is delicious so I will be quite happy.
That's the way to do it--make delicious foods and suck them in....My husband says he has no problem eating low carb, if I cook delicious meals. He is actually starting to make better choices on his lunches that he eats out, which is great.

I just have to say I'm feeling very optimistic today--I switched my hormone regime from bio-identical progesterone, to a mix of BI progesterone and estriol (an estrogen)--very low dose. A week in, and I think I can confidently say that my sleep is very much improved! I have wake-ups, but they are brief. If this continues, I'm not sure what I'm going to do with all the extra time! Not sure how this change will affect my weight. But I would exchange a few pounds for good sleep anyday.

esw Tue, Dec-08-15 13:13

I am finding like you Nicekitty, that my husband too is enjoying the tasty concoctions I am coming up with. The only downside is whilst he is enjoying the extra fat in the way of butter,cream etc he is also eating carbs quite heavily. Sometimes think he is having the worst combination of high fat plus high carb. He 's not prepared to give up the carbs though.

Glad to hear of your optimism, things always seem better when in that frame of mind. A good night's sleep is something to be treasured. We don't appreciate it enough until we are not getting it. Hope the new regime works for you long term.
They were offering sweets at work today but they had no appeal to me! :cheer: :cheer:

MickiSue Tue, Dec-08-15 19:06

From my experience, it takes husbands a while to get on board. Mine was still eating cold cereal--and a BIG bowl, thereof--along with lots of rice, bread, etc, when I went strict on my LCHF. Now, he rarely eats cereal, will have maybe one piece of bread a day, and occasionally, but not often, wants rice or potatoes with his dinner.

But it's taken many months. The grains are still hanging around, and I've been grain free for over two years.

Nicekitty Wed, Dec-09-15 21:16

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Originally Posted by esw
The only downside is whilst he is enjoying the extra fat in the way of butter,cream etc he is also eating carbs quite heavily. Sometimes think he is having the worst combination of high fat plus high carb. He 's not prepared to give up the carbs though.
I know what you mean! I make a nice low-carb meal, and he adds two slices of toast! So annoying! I've been keeping a close eye on my husband, and he hasn't gained any weight, so hopefully everything is not falling apart inside. I'd love to have some blood test results.

esw Sun, Dec-13-15 07:05

Quote:
Originally Posted by esw
Guilt is so deflating. Like you Jo, I maybe felt uncomfortably full after overeating but it was guilt that caused most pain! However perhaps eventually, that became a positive? :idea: To be able to eat without guilt is so liberating and such a contrast. Now when planning eating I know I have a choice (guilt or liberation) :idea: :idea: no guessing what I choose. I just love :idea:

Anyway updating to give myself a pat on the head :angel: :lol:
Major victory today. I do miss a really tasty savoury Italian pasta dish. Make similar at home without the pasta but when dining out that choice isn't often available. You know the kind with chicken, chorizo, mushrooms cheese, herbs, cream and pasta. Plus some other delicious little additions that you can only get at an Italian style restaurant! Well after big day, xmas visiting elderly relatives, we called in at one of those restaurants on the way home. Just didn't fancy a steak which was the meatiest meal. Majority were either pasta based or chip or bun based. Went for the pasta with all the afore mentioned favourite ingredients. Ate all the o/p things and not one single piece of pasta. So chuffed and to be honest it wasn't a hardship. Really the pasta just bulks things up and without the tasty accompaniments, which I ate, it would just be a bland filler.
Really hit home that pasta, bread, potatoes, without savoury additions, are nothing more than fillers. Similar to what is added to sausages, animal feed and many more everyday items. Keep on keeping on.


Copying the above quote from my journal as it is a game changer for me, and it might help some others.
We are so used to eating real food with a filler! If we could get away from the fillers, not just because of the carb/ blood sugar effect but also to break the habit. A lot of our eating is habit, a learned response! We need to learn new permanent more appropriate eating habits. :thup:We can do this. :D

eljohnw Sun, Dec-13-15 10:03

Quote:
Originally Posted by MickiSue
From my experience, it takes husbands a while to get on board. Mine was still eating cold cereal--and a BIG bowl, thereof--along with lots of rice, bread, etc, when I went strict on my LCHF. Now, he rarely eats cereal, will have maybe one piece of bread a day, and occasionally, but not often, wants rice or potatoes with his dinner.

But it's taken many months. The grains are still hanging around, and I've been grain free for over two years.


You are lucky MickiSue, my DH eats the LC meal and tops it of with some cake or other junk he stashes away when I am not looking. I often lecture him about early death and rotting from the inside and the only response I get is, "I am 71 years old and I am ready to have (finger quote) a early death.

Nicekitty Sun, Dec-13-15 13:42

Quote:
Major victory today. I do miss a really tasty savoury Italian pasta dish. Make similar at home without the pasta but when dining out that choice isn't often available. You know the kind with chicken, chorizo, mushrooms cheese, herbs, cream and pasta. Plus some other delicious little additions that you can only get at an Italian style restaurant! Well after big day, xmas visiting elderly relatives, we called in at one of those restaurants on the way home. Just didn't fancy a steak which was the meatiest meal. Majority were either pasta based or chip or bun based. Went for the pasta with all the afore mentioned favourite ingredients. Ate all the o/p things and not one single piece of pasta. So chuffed and to be honest it wasn't a hardship. Really the pasta just bulks things up and without the tasty accompaniments, which I ate, it would just be a bland filler.
Really hit home that pasta, bread, potatoes, without savoury additions, are nothing more than fillers. Similar to what is added to sausages, animal feed and many more everyday items. Keep on keeping on.
We have a really good italian restaurant in town that we like to go to. They have fantastic pasta dishes. I haven't been able to get them to substitute an innocuous vegetable for the pasta, but last time I was there, I told them to cut WAY back on the pasta "I don't care if it is a smaller serving"! It worked great, looked like soup but tasted fantastic without all the "filler". Even my husband was jealous of my dish.

Getting restaurants to serve dishes without rice has been easy. And they don't even bat an eye when I tell them to hold the bun. The more we hammer on them to cater to our needs, the easier it will be for the low-carber that comes after us. And when we reach a critical level, they will realize how important it is to have more options for us. If you don't have good options, you will lose our business, but if you do cater to us, you'll have a very loyal customer.

Restaurants love to use lots of filler ingredients like pasta, etc..because they are cheap, make the serving size look good, and don't need much prep work. The better quality a restaurant is, the less they will depend on that cheap stuff.

esw Mon, Dec-14-15 05:26

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Originally Posted by Nicekitty
Restaurants love to use lots of filler ingredients like pasta, etc..because they are cheap, make the serving size look good, and don't need much prep work. The better quality a restaurant is, the less they will depend on that cheap stuff.


I was just thinking that last night. It really was quite an expensive dish for not very much REAL food!! Had it been a fine dining restaurant, it probably wouldn't have cost much more and just had the real food!

See what you mean about trying to change things. Fact is though as you say, they want to make the dish appear more, as cheaply as possible. So what better way than-the bun-the rice-the pasta or the chips.

Gammon roasts are a good price just now, aimed toward the xmas meal. Plan to buy extra and freeze some.
Made soup the other day with a ham hough bone. Lovely soup and the meat off the bone was delicious, we got a couple of meals out of it.
Hope we are all managing to make good choices. :D

Nrracing Tue, Dec-15-15 16:57

I know some say it's hard for the husband, but it is hard for me to change my wife's mind. She has seen the close to 50 I have lost and the things people say about how great I look. You would think it would get her on board, but she still eats, cereal, pop tarts, cookies, tortilla chips and dip and so on. Any Ideals?

Also Xmas is coaming and I feel the same way about the sweets, I would eat 6 brownies and 10 cookies before this WOE. :lol: I think I am going to get a low carb bar and cut it up and eat it over the 4 days. I want something sweet, but refuse to eat the bad cookie and deserts. I know it will take e off course and I will never go back.

Does anyone else have a low carb sweet?


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