Do Atkiners count calories?
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Not meant as a religious post. Two Atkiners, three opinions. :lol: Dr. Jason Fung has a saying, Calorie Restriction As Primary, or CRAP. This is pretty much how I see it, too. Restricting calories without considering the other qualities of the food you're eating, like the micronutrient ratio, how insulinogenic the combination of those macros will be, etc., isn't that effective. Cut the carbs and appetite and calories becomes manageable. My experience--straight Atkins lost me about 20 pounds, brought me from the cusp of obesity by bmi to borderline overweight. Going to a more ketogenic ratio brought me down another 10 pounds. That last bit isn't quite true. I counted calories and ate higher protein to lose that last ten pounds (actually more like 15 pounds). At that lower weight, I developed a problem with binges, including some high carb binges that I hadn't had any problem with for like a decade (long time between that first 20 pounds and the next ten). That's when I tried a more ketogenic approach, which pretty much put an end to the tendency to binge. The binge tendency is still there if I loosen up on keto too much. So how I read this, just eating protein and fat at will sort of lower my set point vs. SAD. Calorie restriction once I hit that set point reduced my weight further, but there's no getting away from the fact that at 155 pounds, I was well below the point where my weight settled on Atkins, and had strong symptoms such as binge tendency, increased general appetite, and lethargy of being well below my set point.. Eating keto I did regain some weight, but just five pounds rather than the usual fifteen, and maintain a lower weight without those binges and lethargy. |
When low carbers are not loosing and making progress, then counting calories is helpful.
DANDR is based on simple premise of serving of meat and a cup of leafy veg or other allowed lc veg. This works for most according to DANDR. Some need fat fast, some need IF, some need calorie counting, some need more fat....... DANDR mentions liberal use of fats, and with decrease of appetite an overall decrease in food consumption. Which is a decrease in calorie intake. Just not literally counted. Some folks do like to track the calories. We do what works for each of us. |
It's best to read one of the Diet Revolution books and see what Dr. Atkins himself has to say.
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Oh my, that question that confounds low carbers...and even the reasearchers still. But Dr. Atkins himself wrote:
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And Dr. Westman echoed the same view in this 5 minute video on "Stalling on Low Carb" https://www.facebook.com/AdaptYourL...hDydPexEmsTmnIY |
Hi Vicky. IMO, no. Mainly for the reasons Teaser mentioned - starvation, repackaged. Too many folks try to calorie count as a shortcut. Don't. If I read your profile correctly, you started less than a week ago. Follow the plan as written and let your metabolism and your satiety mechanisms heal. Compliance trumps everything. Eat and be happy. Learn how awesome good healthy low carb meals can be. Don't complicate it.
Another reason I'm against calorie counting for Atkins early on is that you'll be tempted to make junky food subs. The lower cal version of practically everything is inferior. Eat real fatty food. If you feel you should, count portions not calories. Can you get by with 2 eggs instead of 3? Maybe a medium coffee instead of a large? Are you snacking when you're not hungry? Calorie counting isn't very accurate, anyway. I made ribs last week by cooking them over a trivet in the pressure cooker, with a sauce over them. There was a lot of juice and I had to simmer the sauce down. I like ribs, but I ended up spitting out some gristly pieces. How the heck am I supposed to know how many calories I ate? Same with my homemade broth and yogurt. The nice thing about Atkins induction is that if you follow the rules, there's not a lot to count other than measuring your Tbsps of cream and cups of veggies. It really is that easy. :thup: Best of luck. |
I don't speak for Atkiners, but here is my 2 cents. The first goal is to get fat adapted and replacing glucose with ketones. During this period, you should eat as much fat and protein as required to keep you on plan. Once you are fat adapted, your appetite may be reduced, essentially becoming self regulating. However, this doesn't happen for everyone, and if it doesn't, you may need to count calories to continue losing weight. That doesn't mean adopt a strict low calorie regime, but as the quotes provided by JEY100 suggest, calories do matter.
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Makes total sense, thank you!
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Binging has been my thing, too. I tried Atkins about 6 years ago and lost 30 lbs very quickly. But as I age, it seems to come off much slower and, if I binge on only one thing during one day, it's all downhill for me until I crash/burn.
I'm not one to count calories, and really never have. However, counting carbs has always been so easy for me... well, until I fall off the wagon. :o |
I vaguely remember something to that effect. For some reason, not paying attention to calories stuck in my head That's why I was asking because I didn't think calories mattered following Atkins.
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Wow Janet, thank you!
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Thank you, Kristine, for your input here. Very, very helpful.
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Vicky B, are you binging on any one thing in particular? Although low-carb, dairy products like yogurt & cream cheese cause me cravings and binges, so I keep them out of the house. Instead I fill the house only with foods that don't trigger binges, with lots of variety so there is always something that I actually enjoy.
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Near goal I do, and fasting on occasion helps too.
Some dietitians and 'experts' claim Atkins works because it naturally cuts calories and "a whole food group" but I beg to differ. Eating fried pork fat like I sometimes do or rib-eye with lots of butter is not calorie cutting. |
Snap Peas
Deirda, yes, I am guilty of binging. I can't seem to shake snap peas. I buy a small package in the produce section but I can easily eat 3/4 of a bag in one sitting, as long as I have a low carb ranch dressing in the fridge.
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