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Tavington

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop. Why
do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy
way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they
will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd proposition
completely negates all of the theories taught in higher
education regarding physiology and fitness.

Devotees of HIT will advocate that:

- Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
matter how much you train, some people cannot achieve the
muscle mass of professional bodybuilders. I am a true
believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther King.
That everyone is equal and that there are no inherent
distinctions between the races (and sexes I might add.) HIT
training by this very premise sounds racist. Pretty thin
veil, practitioners of HIT.

- One should work out no more than once or twice per week
at a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with
that is that it encourages people to be lazy and not put
in the necessary time and effort to create the desired
results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal in the May 1997
issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the following exercises
per workout:

Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20 Lying
leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg deadlift 4x15

HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?

- HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
have ever heard of. The solution I would give is to spread
out the various exercises throughout the week. A typical
good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day
from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of
cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed by 60 minutes of
exercises on Sunday (this day being your day to take it
easier than usual).

- Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me ask
you, if you run 2 miles at a very slow pace, will it be more
effective than if you made a brisk, steady run? Taken to its
logical extreme, one could crawl for 2 miles and get a more
intense workout than if he actually ran it. Get real!
Super-explosive arm blaster routines are the most effective
ways to tone and shape your muscles.

- HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them
their snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that
HITers are using this to misguide the impressionable
beginners. I say this to the beginners: it is better to
follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such
as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda
on the Internet.

Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
following the Weider principles and using Weider's supplements
that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and achieved a
beautiful, sculpted physique. It is not easy--however, do not
let yourselves under any circumstances be tempted by the HIT
theory. HIT is only a theory that has never been proven. Ask
any HITer if they have really made any substantial gains and
they look the other way, trying to hide their flabby stomach,
muttering something about the "librul' media" trying to
brainwash everybody.

HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Lyle McDon

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

Tavington wrote:
>
> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
> easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_
> work, they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
> proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
> higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
>
> Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>
> - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
> matter how much you train, some people cannot achieve the
> muscle mass of professional bodybuilders. I am a true
> believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther
> King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
> inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I
> might add.)

A statement proving the true moron. Wondering who? Look in
the mirror.

Anyone who denies inherent biological and genetic differences
between genders and or races has their head so far up their
asses as to be laughable. Wipe your nose, it's covered with
shit, dumbass.

Lyle

Kevin Dill

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
news:3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net...
> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop. ,
.............
> muttering something about the "librul' media" trying to
> brainwash
everybody.
>
> HIT DOES NOT WORK!
>
1. stop reading about it and do your own thing.
2. now that you've vented do you feel any better?
3. yeah, Mike Metzner, and Dorian Yates, pussies
4. Weider has only your best interest at heart. Trust me
5. That genetics thing, its highly over rated, after all,
aren't we all 6ft, 225 and blond at birth. forget about
msucle insertion points and limb length. Why let science
get in the way of a good rant.
6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin, no
balls, an brain tumors is a personal goal that diabonal
will deliver on demand. Go for it.

Fish!

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
> www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
> proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that HITers
> are using this to misguide the impressionable beginners. I
> say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
> proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
> Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
> Internet.

So which one are you?

*The Internet is a proven haven of greedy opportunists and
criminals. Child molesters and right-wing hate groups
communicate on the Internet to spread their filth*

> It is thanks to following the Weider principles and using
> Weider's supplements that I have surpassed the HIT
> cultists and achieved a beautiful, sculpted physique. HIT
> DOES NOT WORK!
>
>
>

And the above is some of the saddest crap I've every read. You
forgot to thank jesus.

Donovan Re

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

In article <3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net>, Tavington wrote:
> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
> easy way out.

There is nothing *easy* about HIT. Training sessions are
short, but they are supposed to be very difficult.

To put it another way, anything that requires doing a set of
squats to failure is not an "easy way out".

Have you ever performed a set of squats to failure ? Until
you've done so, don't go calling HIT an "easy way out".

> Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>
> - Muscle potential is largely genetic.

Well, it is.

> They believe that no matter how much you train, some people
> cannot achieve the muscle mass of professional bodybuilders.
> I am a true believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin
> Luther King. That everyone is equal

Martin Luther King did not mean to imply that everyone was
genetically identical.

> and that there are no inherent distinctions between the
> races (and sexes I might add.)

How did you pass sex ed with this sort of attitude ? There are
certainly some very obvious differences between the sexes.
There are also obvious physical differences between different
ethnic groups (skin color, for example). As much as you'd like
to believe it ain't so, it's a simple fact that a skinny 5
foot lady with a 20 inch waist is not going to look like
Dorian Yates with any amount of training.

> - One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
> is that it encourages people to be lazy

Lazy people do not perform squats to failure.

> and not put in the necessary time and effort to

HIT is all about *effort*. The philosophy is, in a nutshell,
more effort, less time.

> create the desired results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal
> in the May 1997 issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the
> following exercises per workout:
>
> Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
> Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
> Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
> deadlift 4x15

That's all very well, but how many of those sets are performed
to failure ? Is the trainee using steroids ? Does the trainee
have the same recovery ability as I do ?

> HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
> squats is sufficient enough.

Early in my training, I followed a routine in Ellington
Darden's book, and it included calf raises, stiff legged
deadlifts, squats, and I think leg curls.

> Which makes more sense?

A while ago, people believed that a flat world made more
sense, but that didn't make it true.

> - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
> slow" reps,

Some people who believe in the Weider principles also believe
a lot of other things that may not be true. So what ?

> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil books and newsletters.

But Joe Weider has your best interests at heart (-;

> impressionable beginners. I say this to the beginners: it is
> better to follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding
> magazines such as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT
> propaganda on the Internet.

Flex ? Of course. Who wants to read a real book or journal
article when one can look at nudie pics of Sharon Bruneau and
Cory Everson instead ?

> Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree,

Apparently, a lot of people who don't use HIT don't agree with
you either.

> but it is a proven fact that the longer and harder that you
> work at something, the better the results will be.

And now we get to the part where you cite a credible source in
support of this claim, right ?

Assuming that's true for a moment, why does that workout you
mentioned contain so few sets ? I mean, why workout for just a
few hours, when you could spend 8 hours in the gym instead ?

> never been proven. Ask any HITer if they have really made
> any substantial gains and they look the other way, trying to
> hide their flabby stomach,

And now we get to the part where you cite an article that
supports the claim that HIT results in a flabby stomach.

Cheers,
--
Donovan

David Cohe

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote:
> Tavington wrote:
> >
> > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full
> > stop. Why
do so many
> > disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way
> > out. They
somehow
> > believe that by doing _less_ work, they will achieve
> > greater
muscle gains.
> > This absurd proposition completely negates all of the
> > theories
taught in
> > higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
> >
> > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
> >
> > - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe
> > that no
matter how much
> > you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
professional
> > bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that great wise
> > teacher,
Dr. Martin
> > Luther King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
inherent
> > distinctions between the races (and sexes I might add.)
>
> A statement proving the true moron. Wondering who? Look in
> the mirror.
>
> Anyone who denies inherent biological and genetic
> differences
between
> genders and or races has their head so far up their asses as
> to be laughable. Wipe your nose, it's covered with shit,
> dumbass.

It was a pretty amazing "I am a moron and proud of it" post.
Funny he was trying to discredit HIT in doing it. Poor dead
Mike would be chuckling if he was alive.

Actually, he'd be scratching at the roof of his coffin if he
was alive, but that's another story.

David

Lee Michae

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
news:3D7D2F99.CEF78316@onr.com...
> Tavington wrote:
> >
> > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> > Why do so
many
> > disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way out.
> > They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they will
> > achieve greater muscle
gains.
> > This absurd proposition completely negates all of the
> > theories taught in higher education regarding physiology
> > and fitness.
> >
> > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
> >
> > - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that
> > no matter how
much
> > you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
> > professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that
> > great wise teacher, Dr.
Martin
> > Luther King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
> > inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I
> > might add.)
>
> A statement proving the true moron. Wondering who? Look in
> the mirror.
>
> Anyone who denies inherent biological and genetic
> differences between genders and or races has their head so
> far up their asses as to be laughable. Wipe your nose, it's
> covered with shit, dumbass.
>

Uhh, Lyle, you don't understand. He follows the Weirder
Principles!!! And he uses the Weider Supplements too. So it
must be true!!

BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oscar Madi

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"kevin dill" <kev@kevskreations.com> wrote in news:Yqaf9.2039-
9$jG2.1493437@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

> 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin, no
> balls, an brain tumors is a personal goal that diabonal
> will deliver on demand. Go for it.

You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/

David Cohe

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"kevin dill" <kev@kevskreations.com> wrote:
> "Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote:
> > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full
> > stop. ,
> .............
> > muttering something about the "librul' media" trying to
> > brainwash
> everybody.
> >
> > HIT DOES NOT WORK!
> >
> 1. stop reading about it and do your own thing.
> 2. now that you've vented do you feel any better?
> 3. yeah, Mike Metzner, and Dorian Yates, pussies

One was a loon and is now dead. The other has never done HIT
routines at any time in recorded history.

David

David Cohe

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"kevin dill" <kev@kevskreations.com> wrote:
> 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin, no
> balls,
an brain
> tumors is a personal goal that diabonal will deliver on
> demand. Go
for it.

"Diabonal" causes brain tumors, huh? Must have been what
killed that football player, whatsizname?

David

Donovan Re

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

In article <MPG.17e7ec6424298a60989ac0@vic.nnrp.telstra.net>,
Fish! wrote:
>
>>
>> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them
>> their snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
>> www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
>> proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
>> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
>> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that
>> HITers are using this to misguide the impressionable
>> beginners. I say this to the beginners: it is better to
>> follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such
>> as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda
>> on the Internet.
>
> So which one are you?
>
> *The Internet is a proven haven of greedy opportunists and
> criminals. Child molesters and right-wing hate groups
> communicate on the Internet to spread their filth*
>
>> It is thanks to following the Weider principles and using
>> Weider's supplements that I have surpassed the HIT
>> cultists and achieved a beautiful, sculpted physique. HIT
>> DOES NOT WORK!
>
> And the above is some of the saddest crap I've every read.
> You forgot to thank jesus.

That rant was so far off-base that I was almost waiting for
him to thank the little green men from mars, and finish the
post with "the truth is out there".

--
Donovan

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

Lee Michae

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"David Cohen" wrote

>. Poor dead Mike would be chuckling if he was alive.
>
> Actually, he'd be scratching at the roof of his coffin if he
> was alive, but that's another story.
>

We also like it when YOU talk medical David.

Lee Michae

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"Oscar Madisoy" <omadisoy@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9284CA6FA6FF0omadisoyoptonlinenet@167.206.3.2...
> "kevin dill" <kev@kevskreations.com> wrote in news:Yqaf9.20-
> 399$jG2.1493437@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
> > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin,
> > no balls, an brain tumors is a personal goal that
> > diabonal will deliver on demand. Go for it.
>
> You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/

This guy looked young naturally and at a yong age. He gave
that up to become a super freak. He gives personal
appearances. I just gotta wonder Who pays for tand who attends
them?? Scary.

David Cohe

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"Oscar Madisoy" <omadisoy@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9284CA6FA6FF0omadisoyoptonlinenet@167.206.3.2...
> "kevin dill" <kev@kevskreations.com> wrote in news:Yqaf9.20-
> 399$jG2.1493437@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
> > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin,
> > no balls,
an
> > brain tumors is a personal goal that diabonal will
> > deliver on
demand.
> > Go for it.
>
> You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/

A Synthol freak has what, exactly, to do with the part of the
post you quoted?

David

Kevin Dill

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

Kevin Dill

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message new-
s:mGaf9.17614$LI2.1352155@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> "kevin dill" <kev@kevskreations.com> wrote:
> > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin,
> > no balls,
> an brain
> > tumors is a personal goal that diabonal will deliver on
> > demand. Go
> for it.
>
> "Diabonal" causes brain tumors, huh? Must have been what
> killed that football player, whatsizname?
>
> David
>
>
Lyle Alzado, my spellin' dianabol

Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:01

Thick Bush

Mon, Sep-09-02, 22:58

Interesting. I am opposed to HIT because violence is bad and
wrong. My training program is called PIE (Particularly Intense
Exercise). I also find value in CAKE (Comprehensive And Kind
Exercise) and POT (Pleasant Outdoor training)...
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Dahammel

Mon, Sep-09-02, 22:58

"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
news:3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net...
> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so
many
> disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way out.
> They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they will
> achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd proposition
> completely negates all of the theories taught in higher
> education regarding physiology and fitness.
>
> Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>
> - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
> matter how
much
> you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
> professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that
> great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther King. That everyone
> is equal and that there are no inherent distinctions
> between the races (and sexes I might add.) HIT training by
> this very premise sounds racist. Pretty thin veil,
> practitioners of HIT.

Um, "muscle potential", assuming its even a concept, would be
genetic. Not everybody can be a world-class marathon runner.
Not everybody can win the World's Strongest Man competition.
Why? How 'bout genetics. Some are taller. Some are shorter.
Some heavier and lighter. Some are STRONGER. Go figure. And if
you'd believe it, some are actually BIGGER.

> - One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
> is that it encourages people
to
> be lazy and not put in the necessary time and effort to
> create the desired results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal
> in the May 1997 issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the
> following exercises per workout:
>
> Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
> Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
> Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
> deadlift 4x15
>
> HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
> squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?

Yeah, you know how the average person has time to devote 42
sets a week just for legs. Anybody doing less is LAZY? Boy,
what the hell do you do for a living? The average person CAN'T
perform 42 sets a week for legs. Its called overtraining, and
its called injury. The average steroid monkey can certainly do
it, because they're assisted.

> - HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
> progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
> that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
> have ever heard of. The solution I would give is
to
> spread out the various exercises throughout the week. A
> typical good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes
> every day from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45
> minutes of cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed
by
> 60 minutes of exercises on Sunday (this day being your day
> to take it
easier
> than usual).

2 hours of working out everyday, except only 1 hour for your
easy day? And anybody doing less is lazy? Geez, no life
outside the gym eh? Poor guy.

> - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
> slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me
> ask you, if you run 2 miles
at
> a very slow pace, will it be more effective than if you made
> a brisk,
steady
> run? Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2
> miles and get a more intense workout than if he actually ran
> it. Get real!
Super-explosive
> arm blaster routines are the most effective ways to tone and
> shape your muscles.
>
> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil
books
> and newsletters. I believe that www.cyberpump.com is a huge
> disservice. The Internet is a proven haven of greedy
> opportunists and criminals.
Child
> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that HITers
> are using this to misguide the impressionable beginners. I
> say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
> proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
> Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
> Internet.
>
> Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
> proven fact
that
> the longer and harder that you work at something, the better
> the results will be. It is thanks to following the Weider
> principles and using
Weider's
> supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
> achieved a
beautiful,
> sculpted physique. It is not easy--however, do not let
> yourselves under
any
> circumstances be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a
> theory that has never been proven. Ask any HITer if they
> have really made any substantial gains and they look the
> other way, trying to hide their flabby stomach, muttering
> something about the "librul' media" trying to brainwash
everybody.
>
> HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Weider supplements? Talk about HIT theory not working. Go
ahead and provide a few peer-researched studies specifically
on Weider snake-oil supplements.

Yeah, I'm sure that the Weider empire has never had ANY
"greedy opportunists" working for it. No ads in FLEX
either I'm sure.

Would HIT work for a world champion bodybuilder? Probably not.
Does HIT "work" for the average Joe trying to prevent injury
in playing weekend warrior sports and have a decent quality of
life without taking out 2 hours a day in the gym while you
could be raising a few kids, holding a job, and perhaps even
having a friend or a hobby or two?

Re-evaluate who the fool is. You don't need to read crap
magazines and sip friggin' Weider protein shakes to be
healthy. Which is the only truly valuable reason to workout in
the first place. Without that, the rest means nothing. Period.

d.

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Carl Mille

Mon, Sep-09-02, 22:58

On September 09 2002, Lyle McDonald <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote:

> differences between genders

Viva la difference!!!!

David Cohe

Tue, Sep-10-02, 05:58

"Thick Bushy Tail" <withbacon@aol.comi-sd9wmy> wrote in
message news:20020909221431.10406.00002720@mb-fx.aol.com...
> Interesting. I am opposed to HIT because violence is bad
> and wrong.
My training
> program is called PIE (Particularly Intense Exercise). I
> also find
value in
> CAKE (Comprehensive And Kind Exercise) and POT
> (Pleasant Outdoor
training)...

Any training program involving PIE, CAKE, and POT is certainly
worth a try.

David

David Cohe

Tue, Sep-10-02, 05:58

"Donovan Rebbechi" <elflord@panix.com> wrote in message
>
> HIT is all about *effort*. The philosophy is, in a
> nutshell, more
effort, less
> time.

In a nutshell, indeed. You're funny, in an unintentional way.

David

Donovan Re

Tue, Sep-10-02, 05:58

In article
<2Mff9.18234$LI2.1403998@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
David Cohen wrote:
>
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <elflord@panix.com> wrote in message
>>
>> HIT is all about *effort*. The philosophy is, in a
>> nutshell, more
> effort, less
>> time.
>
> In a nutshell, indeed. You're funny, in an
> unintentional way.

Hahahaha ... yes, it was unintentional.

Thanks for pointing that out-- it would be most unfortunate if
I wasn't given a chance to enjoy my (unintentional) jokes.

Cheers,
--
Donovan

Alex

Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:00

your a moron.

--On Monday, September 9, 2002 5:26 PM -0600 Tavington
<tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote:

> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
> easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_
> work, they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
> proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
> higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
>
> Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>
> - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
> matter how much you train, some people cannot achieve the
> muscle mass of professional bodybuilders. I am a true
> believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther
> King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
> inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I might
> add.) HIT training by this very premise sounds racist.
> Pretty thin veil, practitioners of HIT.
>
> - One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
> is that it encourages people to be lazy and not put in the
> necessary time and effort to create the desired results.
> Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal in the May 1997 issue of
> FLEX Magazine recommends the following exercises per
> workout:
>
> Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
> Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
> Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
> deadlift 4x15
>
> HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
> squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?
>
> - HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
> progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
> that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
> have ever heard of. The solution I would give is to spread
> out the various exercises throughout the week. A typical
> good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day
> from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of
> cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed by 60 minutes of
> exercises on Sunday (this day being your day to take it
> easier than usual).
>
> - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
> slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me
> ask you, if you run 2 miles at a very slow pace, will it
> be more effective than if you made a brisk, steady run?
> Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2 miles
> and get a more intense workout than if he actually ran it.
> Get real! Super-explosive arm blaster routines are the
> most effective ways to tone and shape your muscles.
>
> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
> www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
> proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that HITers
> are using this to misguide the impressionable beginners. I
> say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
> proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
> Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
> Internet.
>
> Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
> proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
> something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
> following the Weider principles and using Weider's
> supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
> achieved a beautiful, sculpted physique. It is not
> easy--however, do not let yourselves under any circumstances
> be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a theory that has
> never been proven. Ask any HITer if they have really made
> any substantial gains and they look the other way, trying to
> hide their flabby stomach, muttering something about the
> "librul' media" trying to brainwash everybody.
>
> HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Speerjg

Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:00

LOL! Nice troll.

Tavington wrote:
>
> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
> easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_
> work, they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
> proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
> higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
>
> Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>
> - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
> matter how much you train, some people cannot achieve the
> muscle mass of professional bodybuilders. I am a true
> believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther
> King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
> inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I might
> add.) HIT training by this very premise sounds racist.
> Pretty thin veil, practitioners of HIT.
>
> - One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
> is that it encourages people to be lazy and not put in the
> necessary time and effort to create the desired results.
> Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal in the May 1997 issue of
> FLEX Magazine recommends the following exercises per
> workout:
>
> Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
> Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
> Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
> deadlift 4x15
>
> HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
> squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?
>
> - HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
> progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
> that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
> have ever heard of. The solution I would give is to spread
> out the various exercises throughout the week. A typical
> good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day
> from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of
> cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed by 60 minutes of
> exercises on Sunday (this day being your day to take it
> easier than usual).
>
> - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
> slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me
> ask you, if you run 2 miles at a very slow pace, will it
> be more effective than if you made a brisk, steady run?
> Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2 miles
> and get a more intense workout than if he actually ran it.
> Get real! Super-explosive arm blaster routines are the
> most effective ways to tone and shape your muscles.
>
> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
> www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
> proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that HITers
> are using this to misguide the impressionable beginners. I
> say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
> proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
> Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
> Internet.
>
> Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
> proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
> something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
> following the Weider principles and using Weider's
> supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
> achieved a beautiful, sculpted physique. It is not
> easy--however, do not let yourselves under any circumstances
> be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a theory that has
> never been proven. Ask any HITer if they have really made
> any substantial gains and they look the other way, trying to
> hide their flabby stomach, muttering something about the
> "librul' media" trying to brainwash everybody.
>
> HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Paul J. Ro

Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:00

"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
news:<3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net>...
>
> - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
> matter how much you train, some people cannot achieve the
> muscle mass of professional bodybuilders. I am a true
> believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther
> King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
> inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I might
> add.) HIT training by this very premise sounds racist.
> Pretty thin veil, practitioners of HIT.
>

Ok, you're using sarcasm to prove a point. So far, so good.

> - One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
> is that it encourages people to be lazy and not put in the
> necessary time and effort to create the desired results.
> Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal in the May 1997 issue of
> FLEX Magazine recommends the following exercises per
> workout:
>
> Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
> Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
> Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
> deadlift 4x15
>
> HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
> squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?

Ok, I'm following. You're saying that this guy's workout
was insane and a HIT workout would be better. Sarcasm
again, I see.

>
> - HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
> progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
> that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
> have ever heard of. The solution I would give is to spread
> out the various exercises throughout the week. A typical
> good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day
> from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of
> cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed by 60 minutes of
> exercises on Sunday (this day being your day to take it
> easier than usual).

Still with the sarcasm. I'm starting to understand that you're
using rhetoric to promote HIT. Funny, but remember, you're on
MFW---I think you're just going to confuse most of the people
on this newsgroup. From the responses you've gotten, I don't
think people understand that you're being sarcastic.

>
> - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
> slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me
> ask you, if you run 2 miles at a very slow pace, will it
> be more effective than if you made a brisk, steady run?
> Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2 miles
> and get a more intense workout than if he actually ran it.
> Get real! Super-explosive arm blaster routines are the
> most effective ways to tone and shape your muscles.

Ok, now you've lost me. I'm guessing that you're pro-HIT, but
even for a HIT jedi, the above paragraph makes no sense, even
taken as sarcasm. Maybe you're pro-HIT but anti-super-slow?
Ok, now I see. You're a high-intensity HIT jedi.

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if the previous paragraphs
were really sarcasm. Maybe you really are a moron.

Let me explain why I'm confused. In the earlier paragraphs you
were clearly trying to make your point by taking the opposing
view to an extreme and then supporting it. That's reducto ad
absurdum, right? The weakest form of logical argument.

But in the previous paragraph you were supporting the correct
side, which is a 180. So now I'm not sure what you were
arguing in the earlier paragraphs.

>
> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
> www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
> proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that HITers
> are using this to misguide the impressionable beginners. I
> say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
> proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
> Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
> Internet.

Ok, more sarcasm; if it wasn't for the previous
paragraph I would think this was funny, even though I
think HIT is garbage.

>
> Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
> proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
> something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
> following the Weider principles and using Weider's
> supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
> achieved a beautiful, sculpted physique. It is not
> easy--however, do not let yourselves under any circumstances
> be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a theory that has
> never been proven. Ask any HITer if they have really made
> any substantial gains and they look the other way, trying to
> hide their flabby stomach, muttering something about the
> "librul' media" trying to brainwash everybody.
>
> HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Donovan Re

Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:00

In article <362710.1031652037@gruel-2-57.ppp.andrew.cmu.edu>,
Alex wrote:
> your a moron.
^^^^

Did you mean you're ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan

The Colema

Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:00

"speerjg" <speerjg@boeing.com> wrote in message
news:3D7DFDA3.3DE76BD4@boeing.com...
> LOL! Nice troll.
>

hard to say judging by your reply. Twang!

> Tavington wrote:
> >
> > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> > Why do so
many
> > disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way out.
> > They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they will
> > achieve greater muscle
gains.
> > This absurd proposition completely negates all of the
> > theories taught in higher education regarding physiology
> > and fitness.
> >
> > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
> >
> > - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that
> > no matter how
much
> > you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
> > professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that
> > great wise teacher, Dr.
Martin
> > Luther King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
> > inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I might
> > add.) HIT training by this very premise sounds racist.
> > Pretty thin veil, practitioners of
HIT.
> >
> > - One should work out no more than once or twice per week
> > at a maximum
of
> > one hour per session. The problem with that is that it
> > encourages
people to
> > be lazy and not put in the necessary time and effort to
> > create the
desired
> > results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal in the May 1997
> > issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the following exercises
> > per workout:
> >
> > Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats
> > 4x20 Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions
> > 6x20 Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15
> > Stiff-leg deadlift 4x15
> >
> > HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
> > squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?
> >
> > - HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
> > progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
> > that he is doing. This is the
most
> > ridiculous idea that I have ever heard of. The solution I
> > would give is
to
> > spread out the various exercises throughout the week. A
> > typical good
week
> > for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day from
> > Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of
> > cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed
by
> > 60 minutes of exercises on Sunday (this day being your day
> > to take it
easier
> > than usual).
> >
> > - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing
> > "super slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass.
> > Let me ask you, if you run 2
miles at
> > a very slow pace, will it be more effective than if you
> > made a brisk,
steady
> > run? Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2
> > miles and get
a
> > more intense workout than if he actually ran it. Get real!
Super-explosive
> > arm blaster routines are the most effective ways to tone
> > and shape your muscles.
> >
> > - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them
> > their snake oil
books
> > and newsletters. I believe that www.cyberpump.com is a
> > huge disservice. The Internet is a proven haven of greedy
> > opportunists and criminals.
Child
> > molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
> > Internet to
spread
> > their filth, and it appears that HITers are using this to
> > misguide the impressionable beginners. I say this to the
> > beginners: it is better to follow the proven, mainstream
> > bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
Health
> > and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the Internet.
> >
> > Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
> > proven fact
that
> > the longer and harder that you work at something, the
> > better the results will be. It is thanks to following the
> > Weider principles and using
Weider's
> > supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
> > achieved a
beautiful,
> > sculpted physique. It is not easy--however, do not let
> > yourselves under
any
> > circumstances be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a
> > theory that
has
> > never been proven. Ask any HITer if they have really
> > made any
substantial
> > gains and they look the other way, trying to hide their
> > flabby stomach, muttering something about the "librul'
> > media" trying to brainwash
everybody.
> >
> > HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Kevin J

Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:00

"Carl Miller" <cmiller@trellis.net> wrote in message
news:00020809231444.OUI73.cmiller@trellis.net...
> On September 09 2002, Lyle McDonald <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote:
>
> > differences between genders
>
> Viva la difference!!!!

et vive la différence, aussi!

Kevin J

Big Black

Tue, Sep-10-02, 20:00

<snip senseless dribble>

> I say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
> proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
> Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
> Internet.

pack your bags and get the fuck out of mfw

Carl Mille

Tue, Sep-10-02, 20:00

On September 10 2002, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Any training program involving PIE, CAKE, and POT is
> certainly worth a try.

If you do the POT first, the PIE and CAKE will be even more
enjoyable.

Carl Mille

Tue, Sep-10-02, 20:00

On September 10 2002, "Kevin J" <kjnospambrsh@mta.ca> wrote:

>> Viva la difference!!!!
>
> et vive la différence, aussi!

Yeah, that's what I meant. (I think.)

David Cohe

Tue, Sep-10-02, 20:00

"Carl Miller" <cmiller@trellis.net> wrote in message
news:00020810183334.OUI95.cmiller@trellis.net...
> On September 10 2002, "David Cohen"
> <sammiesdad@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
> > Any training program involving PIE, CAKE, and POT is
> > certainly
worth a
> > try.
>
> If you do the POT first, the PIE and CAKE will be even more
enjoyable.

You are, of course, correct, Carl.

'ere...

David

Harry Mofo

Tue, Sep-10-02, 22:57

On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:56:18 GMT, Oscar Madisoy
<omadisoy@optonline.net> wrote:

>You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/

My grandma has triceps like that. Except she has mostly
fat where he has muscle. Other than that, the resemblance
is uncanny.

--
Harry

Voxel Desc

Tue, Sep-10-02, 22:57

Donovan Rebbechi <elflord@panix.com> wrote in
news:slrnanrvdc.eor.elflord@panix2.panix.com:

> In article
> <362710.1031652037@gruel-2-57.ppp.andrew.cmu.edu>,
> Alex wrote:
>> your a moron.
> ^^^^
>
> Did you mean you're ?
>
> Cheers,

Maybe he meant, "Your A, moron," as in, "You seem to have
misplaced your A. I've kindly retrieved it for you, moron."

Oscar Madi

Tue, Sep-10-02, 22:57

Harry Mofo <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:o69tnu47mijdljqbf3e513cn3h19l49ubd@4ax.com:

>
> My grandma has triceps like that. Except she has mostly fat
> where he has muscle. Other than that, the resemblance is
> uncanny.

'Cept you can't really call it muscle. More like some kind of
unidentifyable flesh of some sort aided by Synthol. Now as for
the bicep side, add a nipple and you could feed a set of
quintuplets. Bicep lactation.

- Osc

John M . W

Tue, Sep-10-02, 22:57

Harry Mofo <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:56:18 GMT, Oscar Madisoy
><omadisoy@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/
>
>My grandma has triceps like that. Except she has mostly
>fat where he has muscle. Other than that, the resemblance
>is uncanny.

Synthol is an oil, so the resemblance to your granny is more
significant than you originally imagined. However, your
grandmother probably obtains her lipids through dietary
means, rather than direct intramuscular injections ... or at
least, I hope so.
--
John M. Williams jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com
------------ http://www.rustyiron.net -------------- ------
Partnership for an Idiot-Free America -------

David Wint

Wed, Sep-11-02, 20:04

"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> writes:

> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
> easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_
> work, they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
> proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
> higher education regarding physiology and fitness.

[much deletia]

And here I am, wondering if this might be one of the few
amusing trolls we've had for a while.

D.

--
I wonder if the original cavemen needed a personal stone
consultant before he picked up a rock and threw it at
someone?? -- Lee Michaels

Carl Mille

Wed, Sep-11-02, 20:04

On September 10 2002, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> You are, of course, correct, Carl.
>
> 'ere...
>
> David

You're not in North Carolina by chance, are you David? If
so... e-mail me!!!

David Cohe

Wed, Sep-11-02, 20:04

"Carl Miller" <cmiller@trellis.net> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > You are, of course, correct, Carl.
> >
> > 'ere...
> >
> > David
>
> You're not in North Carolina by chance, are you David?
> If so...
e-mail
> me!!!

I tried to go to North Carolina once, but it was closed.

David
--
You might be from Las Vegas if....
> You no longer associate bridges with water. You can say
> "115 degrees" without fainting. You have made instant sun
> tea. You have learned that a seat belt makes a good
> branding iron. The temperature drops below 85, and you feel
> a bit chilled. You have never seen a snow shovel and don't
> know anyone who
owns one.
> You have learned that, in July, it takes only 2 fingers to
drive a car.
> You have discovered you can get a sunburn through your car
window.
> You notice the best parking place is determined by
> shade, not
by distance.
> You know someone who has paid to get a job parking cars.
> It's noon in July, kids are on summer vacation, and not one
person is on the streets.
> Half of the people you know work in a casino. Hot water
> comes out of both taps. You do not own an umbrella and
> would not know where to get
one.
> You don't find it strange that the grocery store, the drug
store and 7-11 all have slot machines in them.
> You are comfortable at 102 degrees. You have spent the
> entire day trying to find a store that
carries snow chains for your car.
> You actually burned your hand opening the car door. No one
> you know would dream of putting vinyl upholstery in a
car or not having air conditioning.
> If the local weather service records 0.02 inches,
> they call it
rain.
> You don't know anyone who owns a raincoat. You have cooked
> a dozen eggs in the trunk of your car between
the grocery store and your home.
> Your biggest bicycle wreck fear is, "What if I get
> knocked out
and end up lying on the pavement and cook to death.
> You realize that asphalt has a liquid state. Half of your
> neighbors are from California and the other half
are from New York.
> You think snow on the ground is an abstract concept. You
> have forgotten how to drive on wet roads. The local cows
> have been known to give powdered milk. The trees are
> whistling for the dogs. You pray, "I wish it would rain;
> not so much for me, because
I've seen it, but for my 7 year old."
> You can say, "but it's dry heat" without laughing. The
> water in your pool has been too hot to swim in and you
don't even have a heater.
> You have ever cooked outside without lighting the grill.
> Your power bill in the summer is more than your mortgage
payment.
> You have had to take out a loan to pay your water bill. You
> think it was better when the "Mob" ran the town. You have
> ever thought, "If I only had the lightbulb
concession.
> You have ever golfed when it was 117 degrees. You have
> visited the Eiffel Tower, the Statue of Liberty,
Venice, and the Pyramids and never had to leave town.
> The song "I'm dreaming of a White Christmas" has no real
meaning.
> You can't buy a car on Sunday from a car dealer, but you
> can
buy a drink, gamble or get a massage.
> You think it is autumn when the temperature drops to 99
degrees.
> You've golfed in December in a short sleeved shirt. You've
> tried to work on your car in the summertime and burned
your hand picking up a wrench left laying in the sun.
> You've never had an auto battery last more than three
> years.

Carl Mille

Wed, Sep-11-02, 22:57

On September 11 2002, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I tried to go to North Carolina once, but it was closed.

Closed minded, for sure. And as if NC itself isn't bad enough,
I live about 15 min. from The Birthplace of Jesse Helms. Now
excuse me while I cut my fingers off for typing that name.

Furchtete

Thu, Sep-12-02, 13:09

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<1Kff9.18232$LI2.1403716@newsread2.prod.itd.earthli-
nk.net>...
> "Thick Bushy Tail" <withbacon@aol.comi-sd9wmy> wrote in
> message news:20020909221431.10406.00002720@mb-fx.aol.com...
> > Interesting. I am opposed to HIT because violence is bad
> > and wrong.
> My training
> > program is called PIE (Particularly Intense Exercise). I
> > also find
> value in
> > CAKE (Comprehensive And Kind Exercise) and POT (Pleasant
> > Outdoor
> training)...
>
> Any training program involving PIE, CAKE, and POT is
> certainly worth a try.

I've always figured you for a cake eater. Me personally, I
like pie. :)

FB

Angela

Fri, Sep-13-02, 20:00

On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:59:18 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"kevin dill" <kev@kevskreations.com> wrote:
>> "Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote:
>> > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full
>> > stop. ,
>> .............
>> > muttering something about the "librul' media" trying to
>> > brainwash
>> everybody.
>> >
>> > HIT DOES NOT WORK!
>> >
>> 1. stop reading about it and do your own thing.
>> 2. now that you've vented do you feel any better?
>> 3. yeah, Mike Metzner, and Dorian Yates, pussies
>
>One was a loon and is now dead. The other has never done HIT
>routines at any time in recorded history.
>

And the third can indeed benefit from HIT!

Remember, more is not better, more is just more.
--
Angela like I'm gettin any

Sun, Sep-15-02, 13:01

Have you tried HIT. I did for 12 weeeks and was amazed at the
results. Maybe you can't read or something or missed a few
paragraphs.

"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
news:3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net...
> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so
many
> disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way out.
> They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they will
> achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd proposition
> completely negates all of the theories taught in higher
> education regarding physiology and fitness.
>
> Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>
> - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
> matter how
much
> you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
> professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that
> great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther King. That everyone
> is equal and that there are no inherent distinctions
> between the races (and sexes I might add.) HIT training by
> this very premise sounds racist. Pretty thin veil,
> practitioners of HIT.
>
> - One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
> is that it encourages people
to
> be lazy and not put in the necessary time and effort to
> create the desired results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal
> in the May 1997 issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the
> following exercises per workout:
>
> Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
> Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
> Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
> deadlift 4x15
>
> HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
> squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?
>
> - HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
> progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
> that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
> have ever heard of. The solution I would give is
to
> spread out the various exercises throughout the week. A
> typical good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes
> every day from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45
> minutes of cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed
by
> 60 minutes of exercises on Sunday (this day being your day
> to take it
easier
> than usual).
>
> - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
> slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me
> ask you, if you run 2 miles
at
> a very slow pace, will it be more effective than if you made
> a brisk,
steady
> run? Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2
> miles and get a more intense workout than if he actually ran
> it. Get real!
Super-explosive
> arm blaster routines are the most effective ways to tone and
> shape your muscles.
>
> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil
books
> and newsletters. I believe that www.cyberpump.com is a huge
> disservice. The Internet is a proven haven of greedy
> opportunists and criminals.
Child
> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that HITers
> are using this to misguide the impressionable beginners. I
> say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
> proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
> Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
> Internet.
>
> Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
> proven fact
that
> the longer and harder that you work at something, the better
> the results will be. It is thanks to following the Weider
> principles and using
Weider's
> supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
> achieved a
beautiful,
> sculpted physique. It is not easy--however, do not let
> yourselves under
any
> circumstances be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a
> theory that has never been proven. Ask any HITer if they
> have really made any substantial gains and they look the
> other way, trying to hide their flabby stomach, muttering
> something about the "librul' media" trying to brainwash
everybody.
>
> HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Keith Hobm

Sun, Sep-15-02, 20:02

In article <a91h9.87887$Hf.2081691@twister.kc.rr.com>, "MJ"
<rollers@wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Have you tried HIT. I did for 12 weeeks and was amazed at
> the results. Maybe you can't read or something or missed a
> few paragraphs.

So tell us, what results were you amazed at? What was your
level of adaptation at the time you tried it - newbie or
experienced lifter? Did you stick with it? Do you know of any
world champion in any of the strength sports (powerlifting,
olympic lifting, strongman, heavy highland games, shotput,
discus, hammer, etc.) who uses it exclusively? Can you name
one? What does this tell you?

--
Keith Hobman

We who are about to squat salute you! (Lyle McDonald)

Jacob Will

Tue, Sep-17-02, 20:01

Yes you are right. "High Intensity Training" basically says
lazy. And yes, it is less work and easier. And all of us that
do it are racist and ignorant. All hail our new king. Finally,
someone that can back up his training ideas with comments from
Martin Luther King and big words like absurd. I guess this
must all be true then.

Jacob Tavington wrote in message
<3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net>...
>I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
>Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
>easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work,
>they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
>proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
>higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
>
>Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>
>- Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
> matter how
much
>you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
>professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that great
>wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther King. That everyone is equal
>and that there are no inherent distinctions between the races
>(and sexes I might add.) HIT training by this very premise
>sounds racist. Pretty thin veil, practitioners of HIT.
>
>- One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that is
> that it encourages people
to
>be lazy and not put in the necessary time and effort to
>create the desired results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal
>in the May 1997 issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the
>following exercises per workout:
>
>Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
>Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
>Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
>deadlift 4x15
>
>HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
>squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?
>
>- HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
> progress that he should cut down on the number of sets that
> he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I have
> ever heard of. The solution I would give is to spread out
> the various exercises throughout the week. A typical good
> week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day from
> Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of cardio,
> warmups and warmdowns) followed by 60 minutes of exercises
> on Sunday (this day being your day to take it
easier
>than usual).
>
>- Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
> slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me
> ask you, if you run 2 miles
at
>a very slow pace, will it be more effective than if you
>made a brisk,
steady
>run? Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2
>miles and get a more intense workout than if he actually ran
>it. Get real!
Super-explosive
>arm blaster routines are the most effective ways to tone and
>shape your muscles.
>
>- HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
> snake oil
books
>and newsletters. I believe that www.cyberpump.com is a huge
>disservice. The Internet is a proven haven of greedy
>opportunists and criminals. Child molesters and right-wing
>hate groups communicate on the Internet to spread their
>filth, and it appears that HITers are using this to misguide
>the impressionable beginners. I say this to the beginners: it
>is better to follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding
>magazines such as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT
>propaganda on the Internet.
>
>Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
>proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
>something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
>following the Weider principles and using
Weider's
>supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
>achieved a
beautiful,
>sculpted physique. It is not easy--however, do not let
>yourselves under
any
>circumstances be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a
>theory that has never been proven. Ask any HITer if they have
>really made any substantial gains and they look the other
>way, trying to hide their flabby stomach, muttering something
>about the "librul' media" trying to brainwash
everybody.
>
>HIT DOES NOT WORK!

Plonk

Tue, Sep-17-02, 20:01

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:20:36 -0600, "Jacob William Mathis"
<jacshelb@netins.net> wrote:

>Yes you are right. "High Intensity Training" basically says
>lazy. And yes, it is less work and easier. And all of us that
>do it are racist and ignorant. All hail our new king.
>Finally, someone that can back up his training ideas with
>comments from Martin Luther King and big words like absurd. I
>guess this must all be true then.
>
>Jacob Tavington wrote in message
><3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net>...
>>I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
>>Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
>>easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_
>>work, they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
>>proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
>>higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
>>
>>Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
>>
>>- Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
>> matter how
>much
>>you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
>>professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that
>>great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther King. That everyone
>>is equal and that there are no inherent distinctions
>>between the races (and sexes I might add.) HIT training by
>>this very premise sounds racist. Pretty thin veil,
>>practitioners of HIT.
>>
>>- One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
>> a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
>> is that it encourages people
>to
>>be lazy and not put in the necessary time and effort to
>>create the desired results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal
>>in the May 1997 issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the
>>following exercises per workout:
>>
>>Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
>>Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
>>Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
>>deadlift 4x15
>>
>>HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
>>squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?
>>
>>- HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
>> progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
>> that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
>> have ever heard of. The solution I would give is to spread
>> out the various exercises throughout the week. A typical
>> good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day
>> from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of
>> cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed by 60 minutes of
>> exercises on Sunday (this day being your day to take it
>easier
>>than usual).
>>
>>- Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
>> slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me
>> ask you, if you run 2 miles
>at
>>a very slow pace, will it be more effective than if you made
>>a brisk,
>steady
>>run? Taken to its logical extreme, one could crawl for 2
>>miles and get a more intense workout than if he actually ran
>>it. Get real!
>Super-explosive
>>arm blaster routines are the most effective ways to tone and
>>shape your muscles.
>>
>>- HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
>> snake oil
>books
>>and newsletters. I believe that www.cyberpump.com is a huge
>>disservice. The Internet is a proven haven of greedy
>>opportunists and criminals. Child molesters and right-wing
>>hate groups communicate on the Internet to spread their
>>filth, and it appears that HITers are using this to misguide
>>the impressionable beginners. I say this to the beginners:
>>it is better to follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding
>>magazines such as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT
>>propaganda on the Internet.
>>
>>Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
>>proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
>>something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
>>following the Weider principles and using
>Weider's
>>supplements that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and
>>achieved a
>beautiful,
>>sculpted physique. It is not easy--however, do not let
>>yourselves under
>any
>>circumstances be tempted by the HIT theory. HIT is only a
>>theory that has never been proven. Ask any HITer if they
>>have really made any substantial gains and they look the
>>other way, trying to hide their flabby stomach, muttering
>>something about the "librul' media" trying to brainwash
>everybody.
>>
>>HIT DOES NOT WORK!
>>
>>
>

what the hell is a grognard anyway?

Bobmac

Thu, Sep-19-02, 13:01

plonk wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:20:36 -0600, "Jacob William Mathis"
> <jacshelb@netins.net> wrote:
>
>>>Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
>>>proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
>>>something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
>>>following the Weider principles and using
>
> what the hell is a grognard anyway?
>
from http://www.translate.ru/

Soldier of the old guard of Napoleon 1

Of course, at their age, I'm inclined to think they can train
any way they want...

rm

The Nuclea

Thu, Sep-19-02, 22:57

"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in
news:3d7d2e36$1_2@news.cybersurf.net:

> I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
> Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
> easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_
> work, they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
> proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
> higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
>

This post was hilarious. Great Satire that trapped some people
(or did they just play along?).

Good satire websites www.theonion.com www.fullgospelranch.com
www.landoverbaptist.com

So Tavington, do you actually advocate HIT?

Nuke

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