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Gostrydr
Tue, Feb-27-07, 14:40
Too much calcium, not enough magnesium

HEART BECOME IRRITABLE WHEN DEPRIVED OF MAGNESIUM

The Human Nutrition Research Center in Grand Forks, North Dakota has released an alarming report that reveals when humans are deprived of magnesium they may begin to experience abnormal heart beats. [American Journal Clinical Nutrition 75: 550-54, March 2002]

The heart muscle of people who experience sudden-death heart attack has been found to be low in magnesium. Areas of the world where drinking water is low in magnesium (soft water areas) have higher rates of heart attacks.

Magnesium is a muscle relaxant, while calcium is a muscle constrictor. Low magnesium intake is associated with muscle spasm, tremors and convulsions.

Most Americans, particularly women, have been advised to consume 1200-1500 milligrams of calcium daily. Virtually none of these women have been told that calcium in single doses that exceed 500 milligrams are not absorbed and that they only need an additional 400-600 milligrams of supplemental calcium since their diet already provides about 800 milligrams of this mineral.

Since 99 percent of magnesium resides inside living cells, blood serum levels are not a good indicator of magnesium deficiency. In other words, your doctor can't easily tell you by a blood test if your magnesium levels are low. Most Americans, 8 in 10, do not consume enough magnesium.

The countries that have the highest mortality rates in the world are the Scandinavian countries and New Zealand where more calcium is consumed from dairy products, while for comparison the lowest mortality rates in the world are in Portugal and Japan where calcium-rich dairy products are not consumed regularly.

Americans consume about 800 milligrams of calcium daily (milk drinkers may get 1200-1500 mgs from their diet alone), but only consume about 275 milligrams of magnesium. Thus the dominance of calcium over magnesium produces symptoms of muscle spasm. Migraines, eyelid twitch, heart flutters, back aches, premenstrual tension, leg cramps and constipation are all linked to calcum overload. Excessive calcium may also result in kidney stones (1 in 11 Americans) and heart valve calcifications (mitral valve, 1 in 12 Americans).

A significant percentage of American adults consume more than 2000 milligrams of daily calcium, the point where side effects of overdosage begin to be reported. More than 300,000 sudden-death heart attacks are reported annually in the US (more than 80 per day) which are believed to be related to excessive calcium and a shortage of magnesium.

Modern medicine's answer to the problem is to prescribe billions of dollars of calcium-blocker drugs. Magnesium is a natural calcium blocker, but this goes unrecognized by most physicians.

Researchers warn that adults who consume excessive amounts of caffeine or alcohol, or who take water pills (diuretics), are prone to experience irregular heart beats and should consume more magnesium. The same is true for diabetics and people with low thyroid. Most Americans consume tap water that has been softened (sodium added) which worsens the problem.

American adults need to supplement their diet with 200-400 milligrams of magnesium. The only side effect of too much magnesium is loose stool. Reducing dosage resolves this problem.

kebaldwin
Tue, Feb-27-07, 17:04
Magnesium is one of the most deficient minerals for most us. And probably one of the easiest to take with supplements, bath salts, liquids, deodorant, etc.

I think that I saw a report somewhere that TYPE 2 DIABETICS (that means most of us) are almost always deficient.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=magnesium+type+2+diabetes

waywardsis
Tue, Feb-27-07, 22:03
I did a cheese challenge the other day that didn't end well, and decided to take 1500mg of mag before bed to, uh, get things moving in the morning and help clear my system. No effect. I was wondering if that means I'm deficient? Any idea?

kebaldwin
Wed, Feb-28-07, 02:31
I did a cheese challenge the other day that didn't end well, and decided to take 1500mg of mag before bed to, uh, get things moving in the morning and help clear my system. No effect. I was wondering if that means I'm deficient? Any idea?

Technically, I am suppose to tell you to go to your doctor and have blood tests done -- but unless your doctor is an endocrinologist -- your doctor will probably have you commited for thinking that you might not be getting proper nutrition.

My initial thought is -- if you did not have diarrhea -- then you did not take too much. For a basis, here is a liquid magnesium laxative.

http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/detail?prodid=231183&previousURI=/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/search?ActiveCat=499^Query=magnesium+laxative

it recommends one bottle (10 ounces) * 1.745 g per Fluid Oz = 17.45 grams = 17,450 mg or more than ten times what you took! Lord help you for drinking that much. Your colon will be so clean ... well we won't go there.

American adults need to supplement their diet with 200-400 milligrams of magnesium. The only side effect of too much magnesium is loose stool. Reducing dosage resolves this problem.

This follows the advice I give people. Keeping increasing it 200 mg every couple of days until you start to get loose stools and then start decreasing it every couple of days to the appropriate point.

LisaS
Wed, Feb-28-07, 15:30
it recommends one bottle (10 ounces) * 1.745 g per Fluid Oz = 17.45 grams = 17,450 mg or more than ten times what you took! Lord help you for drinking that much. Your colon will be so clean ... well we won't go there.

LOL - had to do that pre-op at home a couple of years ago - don't leave home -

waywardsis
Wed, Feb-28-07, 19:23
Well, 2,000mg did the trick ;) Interesting way to spend my morning and half of the afternoon.

it recommends one bottle (10 ounces) * 1.745 g per Fluid Oz = 17.45 grams = 17,450 mg or more than ten times what you took! Lord help you for drinking that much. Your colon will be so clean ... well we won't go there.

My god, is that for a horse? That would've killed me! My colon would've come out entirely!

K, so I am concerned with bone health due to various food intolerances. What, in your opinion, is a good amount of calcium to be getting daily? Or is it more about utilization, really? SO confused :help: I don't get even close to the RDA via diet.

mike_d
Wed, Feb-28-07, 23:18
I am going to take mine tonight-- there is a lot of calcium in my water so I stopped taking extra calcium, now my leg cramps and sometimes heart palpitations have gone away. I get a lot of vitamin D3 here from the sun and eating fish.

I once passed a stone the size of a pea and it was no fun :o

kebaldwin
Thu, Mar-01-07, 03:47
Well, 2,000mg did the trick ;) Interesting way to spend my morning and half of the afternoon.

That is why we recommend slowly working your way up. I don't think you will need to take 2,000 mg every day from here on out -- you might try 500 mg (I think you are only like 120 pounds) -- see how it goes and adjust up or down from there. YOu may find that after a couple of weeks (as your body stores of magnesium reach their capacity) that you may need to decrease some more.

My god, is that for a horse? That would've killed me! My colon would've come out entirely!

That is kind of what I thought also. But it is FDA approved ...

K, so I am concerned with bone health due to various food intolerances. What, in your opinion, is a good amount of calcium to be getting daily? Or is it more about utilization, really? SO confused :help: I don't get even close to the RDA via diet.

Fair disclosure - I am not a big calcium person. I am calcium intolerant so I can only take small amounts. So I have to figure out how to get good, dense bones with smaller amounts of calcium.

I am a huge fan of all the things that help calcium build dense bones - like fat and fat soluble vitamins: A, D, E, and K. And well rounded minerals.

http://www.project-aware.org/Health/Osteo/osteo-bonehealth2.shtml

IMHO calcium is good. You can take it till the cows come home. But your body can do more with less calcium -- if you have proper amounts of all the things your body needs to put calcium to good use.

Lots of good fats (fish oil or if u are a woman - a mixture of fish oil, flaxseed oil, borrage oil, evening primrose oil, etc) and a "mega" multi-vitamin with lots of vitamins and minerals -- will allow your body do more with less calcium.

Plus you get the benefit all of all these other nutrients.

Besides all that extra calcium intake scares the cows.

Zuleikaa
Thu, Mar-01-07, 06:08
I am a huge fan of all the things that help calcium build dense bones - like fat and fat soluble vitamins: A, D, E, and K. And well rounded minerals.

http://www.project-aware.org/Health/Osteo/osteo-bonehealth2.shtml

IMHO calcium is good. You can take it till the cows come home. But your body can do more with less calcium -- if you have proper amounts of all the things your body needs to put calcium to good use.

Lots of good fats (fish oil or if u are a woman - a mixture of fish oil, flaxseed oil, borrage oil, evening primrose oil, etc) and a "mega" multi-vitamin with lots of vitamins and minerals -- will allow your body do more with less calcium.

Plus you get the benefit all of all these other nutrients.

Besides all that extra calcium intake scares the cows.I agree. Me too.

kebaldwin
Thu, Mar-01-07, 06:16
I agree. Me too.

Which part? the part about the cows? I'm getting worried about you ...

Zuleikaa
Thu, Mar-01-07, 10:40
Which part? the part about the cows? I'm getting worried about you ...LoL!!! No the part about cutting down on calcium and making sure you get enough of the supplements that improve calcium utilization.

waywardsis
Thu, Mar-01-07, 16:30
Oh, I only took 2,000mg for the, uh, cleansing effect. ;) Wouldn't normally, esp now I know my tolerance level! Still having aftershocks today. Good thing I work from home.

That makes sense...making sure to get enough of the stuff that improves calcium utilization. I have heard that some ppl are calcium sensitive - what happens to you if you cross your threshold?

I think the RDA for calcium is 1000mg...not that I pay much attention to RDA's really, but I don't like to be under them since they seem to be very conservative, erring on the side of extreme caution. All the hydroxyapatite supps I've found have a very small amount of calcium in them, like 125mg. I don't mind swallowing a bunch, but I want the most bang for my buck too ;) Wonder if I could just find it as a powder. I average about 750mg/day calcium, not so hot, but about 550mg mag, 11,000IU A, 130mg E, 2,000 IU D, 18mg zinc. I could up the D big time, since I get no sun really.

Thanks for the link. Lysine, that surprised me! I always have it in the house for my cats, if you can believe it, bc they sometimes have herpes outbreaks (not like you think...it manifests as runny eyes) and lysine helps clear it up.

Also the oil blend you mentioned - what do the other oils do for us gals? I take CLO currently but no others.

Gostrydr
Thu, Mar-01-07, 19:48
Waywardsis,
Look into Charles Poliquins oil blend from MRM..I forgot the name but it has fish,borage and some other esoteric oils for a pretty good price.

I know the guys at MRM and they put out good products at great prices.

Gostrydr
Thu, Mar-01-07, 19:50
Ok, I have gotten over my laziness..
Smart Blend from MRM

Good stuff

http://www.americannutrition.com/store/EU930047.html

waywardsis
Tue, Mar-06-07, 22:40
Thanks! Wonder if I could find a Canadian source that is as good...

bike2work
Thu, Oct-04-07, 12:09
I'm bumping up this because I think the article in post #1 is pretty significant and I missed it when it was new. I have 9 of the 12 symptoms listed!